7.17.10 is a importent date for you 2012ers. It will be a shift in consiousness. Dont really understand it, but I did have a sorta synchronicity expirance with this date that happned on July 1st. Then today I learn about the date. This whole synchronicity, 2012, and 11:11 expirances dealing with numberology is a personal thing. Its like if it is your path, then it is your path. If you beleive in it then it will happen. We create our own reality. Ive noticed a huge wave with synchronicity all my life, but it has really been eccelerating in the past three years, and has really spiraled this year. Everything that is happning in the world lattley is all apart of it. I beleive these things happning on the outside world are signs for us to wake up, and to remain on our path. There are bad things happning in the world, but at the same time there are great things happning in our spiritual life. Ive given up trying to explain this, because m allways missunderstood as a depressing dooms dayer, and that is not the case. I guess you would have to expirance it yourself to understand what I mean. Yes bad things are going on such as the leak, and the way you find good in it is to look within, and be opened minded to all the changes that are taking place in the world, and your spiritual personal life. I for one, and beaming with optomistic spiritual energy. Allthough I do feel frustrated, because I have noone to share my expirances with, and hell even if I dind it too much has happned to even try to explain the miricales in my life. If you beleive then your reality is being shaped as we speak. Ive been lead to all the right places including learning how to LD, and I think many here are expirancing the same thing.
If you want to follow synchronicity then just start opening up to it, andyou will
Something else that is entersting from July 17th there is 888 days left till Dec 21 12
If anyone is entersted in this please PM me as not to offend the nonbeleivers not saying there bad, or wrong, but its just exsausting trying to explain myself, and coming off as a doomsdayer. Oh by the way Obama is the 44th president, and any double number is one of those signs I was talking about. 44 is a powerfull number in nuberology, and Obama has had alot of numberology attatched to him, and his presidentsy. Such as the pick three lottery in Illinoise where he is from being 666.
I will say this for people not intuned with synchronicity… You have no idea what your missing.
We got a lot to share… because my birthday is on July 17th.
Prepare to meet your doom!
Nothing is going to happen on July 17th.
Did you ever think that maybe we’re fifty years too late for this “spiritual awakening”? I’m refering to the 60’s.
The only thing I predict for the future is the continuation of the status quo. Life (as bleak as it may be) will go on.
Edit: I guess nothing came of this. Surprise, surprise.
I had a great birthday party, though. 
I think the future is pretty much unpredictable. That’s why the weather broadcasts are always wrong!
I was crying all day yesterday for no reason. I was just on the computer and tears came down my eyes. 
How old are you Mew?
My guess is that you are in your middle teens. If so, that was most likely just Hormones/Teenage angst.
But I wasn’t sad at all.
And it wasn’t allergies.
There is no dual synchronism in life, we arn’t living a fairy tale here. There is no unicorn farts or pixe dust, this is just consumption and reproduction. July 17th is just another day on the calender.
Apparently my birthday party had a bigger influence than I thought. 
Finally, some reason.
Hey, I’m going to be really annoying and say, how very unscientific of you. Unless of course you have means of proving that assertion, which in all earnest I would love to see.
Reason, interesting, I thought reason required logic and reasoning, all I see is somebody asserting their views, so, as long as it matches your view of the world, its reason, the moment we step outside of this, it becomes irrational nonsense? Perhaps you could define how you determine reason for me?
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I admit maybe I ask these questions disingenuously, to prove my point. I know such a discussion is pointless, however from a personal perspective, you are presenting your argument unjustly. There never was an argument from a scientific standpoint, only an expression of personal beliefs. Which is exactly what you are doing too, yet doing so from the high-ground of being more logical, rational, etc, than the person you are arguing against. Something I can’t help but be strongly opposed to.
Please. What’s not logical about what he said? I’m referring to LorDrrr.
And yes, reason does require reasoning. 
Ladies, ladies.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Let me first say, Kava didn’t exactly supply us with much “proof” by means of personal opinion or justified fact. If you read the post, it’s a statement lined with fluff. No structure. Kava, if you would, feel free to supply us with some reasoning to your ideas next time, so we have something to discuss rather than bickering.
Both the “consumption and reproduction” and the “dual synchronism” views you talk of are reasonable. Everything is what you make of it. Yesterday could have been amazing or it could have been another date on the calendar.
In my opinion, every date on the calendar is important. You can open your eyes whenever you feel like it, and see whatever you want.
Just have some substance to discuss, please.
What’s logical about believing the universe has to fit into the neat little box your world outlook creates for it? You have no reason to believe it does, only lack of reason not to believe so. Absence of proof, is not proof of absence.
So if you operate on the premise that proof is required to believe something, you must present proof for believing things always have proof, which is impossible. That it fits with current theories, is not proof, A theory which passes every test and allows us to predict things, may still be incorrect.
So to assert “There is no dual synchronism in life, we arn’t living a fairy tale here.” is illogical, as you lack proof of such a claim. You choose to believe that is the case, or more precisely operate under this assumption until proved otherwise. Your inability to prove otherwise however does not prove you are correct. It is merely a justifiable choice to subscribe to this philosophy.
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And so goes the crux of an argument, as I understand it, that seems to have lasted for centuries.
I wasn’t literally asking the questions posted, I was presenting them as the counter argument for the points raised, illustrating directly why the philosophy of “Everyone is entitled to their opinion” is the most reasonable course of action here. A point which, whilst I agree with wholeheartedly, is one I find better received through example, than instruction.
Incidentally the ladies comment was a little uncalled for, aside from the sexism of implying it is ladies who ‘bicker’, sarcasm as a response to passion of belief usually results in more passion and agitation. No doubt not your intentions 
It was friendly sarcasm. Like a love bite. : p
Sorry Dragon, but you are being illogical.
Our understanding of the universe is limited by what we can perceive. And so far, all evidence supports that we, in fact, do not live in a fairy tale.
I believe in reason, which is the entire basis of science. You can sit around in your computer chair and say “Well we could be living in a fantasy land.”, but it’s all irrelavent. This is the reality we live in, and it has laws.
You, will have to prove otherwise.
Hippies “spiritual awakening” was induced by drugs, and only drugs. Peace, and love? I dont think so they wouldnt be thinking about love without the drugs, and for this they had a very rude awakening when they finaly had to grow up, and face reality. Republicans jumped on that problem really quick. Hippies had there hearts in the right place, but beleive that the 60s were a stepping stone of this new spiritual awakening done more natrualy, and without the use of alot of drugs. This generation is working for irts spirtual awakening instead of doing it the easy way, and droping acid.
These are spoken by somebody who is looking at the world from the confines of their own world outlook. That you make this as a counter-argument only shows you completely miss what I’m saying. I’m not trying to prove something scientifically here. Merely point out that you have adopted science as the defining factor in what you believe and are saying this makes your beliefs more valid than somebody else, which abuses it to put it bluntly.
Science proves nothing, and before you get annoyed at me, that does not make it useless. It does however mean that you choosing to say, anything not proven scientifically, doesn’t exist. Or that our understanding of the universe is limited by what we can observe, Is no better than somebody saying I believe in a magical pixie land with unicorns. You have no more justification for saying such things than they do. The best you can do is argue about the merits of each system.
This is the reality we live in is it? When did science prove that, and how? If this has really been proven, I’d be very interested to hear it. Otherwise, this is nothing more than assertion and from what I understand of your own logic, illogical. Ever seen the matrix? How did science prove that this isn’t the case? That is just one example, science proves a theory false, it can never prove it as true. It also can’t tackle or prove things either way when there is no evidence, or the evidence is flaky. Which means to use it fundamentally, you make the assumption the world is rational and always provable by empirical means.
There is nothing wrong with that of course, but to accuse others who believe differently, of being irrational, illogical, etc. Only betrays your own lack of understanding of your own beliefs and the limitations inherent.
If your beliefs are congruent with the entire basis for science, then your entire belief system, must acknowledge at a fundamental level, that all the theories you believe at the moment, can and will be re-evaluated should evidence be presented to the contrary, quite how you can believe this and assert this is the world we live in and it has rules, escapes me at the moment.
Only if I subscribe to the system where things must be proven empirically. Which I’ve yet to see you present evidence for. I honestly don’t think there is evidence for this, since it has been debated many times. The best that can be done is presenting positives for that belief, you can’t prove it as a fact. Something which does not grant you high-ground as being more logical or rational.
I left München and headed towards France 17th july, nothing odd happened that day at least for me 