Oh… I forgot my own rules while doing this… joy… I shall… update things accordingly on the task board… you saw nothing! 
Anywho… meme away… I suppose I shall too.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
I come here before you to claim my points for Into The Blue, a lucid dream where I accomplish the second task which was to grow extra arms.
The whole dream was easily 10 minutes in length, maybe more. But I guess you only count the lucid stretch for the points 
If that is the case I shall be awarded no more than 1 lucid point once again.
As for the task I think it rightful to call 5 additional points my own, since this is the first time I completed the task. Unfortunately I didn’t get to actually use the extra arms but the task only asked for growing them. And since I still want to do something with the extra grip available, I shall attempt again. I have this really awesome idea which is why I picked this challenge first. Awesome in a young teenage boy’s sense, but people always tell me you can do anything in a lucid dream so I hardly feel the need to justify what I’m doing with my dreams 
I have a suggestion. If the task list is running for a while, trying to claim points for a task a while back may be confusing. “Eh, which task exactly do you man?“ kind of situations. How about adding a simple unique key to each task for use of referencing, like a running number?
For reference, the task board can be found here.
Wait. I think I’m just realizing we can claim points for LDs without accomplishing a task? My mind definitely didn’t connect those things until reading through this thread again just now. 
How annoying would it be for me to post an excerpt from every LD I’ve had this year so far for points so I can participate this whole year @Cornelia_Xaos ? 
I’ve had 3 so far.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
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Do eeeet!
The more the merrier they say. Plus, if you have LDs every now and then you can also casually cross off some tasks if you stumble into a suitable situation. The task list will eventually be full of available tasks that you can do.
Umm, this brings up a point I might have misunderstood. Can you complete any of the past tasks or only the last one that was released? I understood it was the former, which I like a lot since my LDs tend to be very irregular in occurrence.
Lots of chatter here! Let’s see…
Congrats on the points, Marvin. I too did the Many Arms task this morning! (In a short LD, as well.) Fun little coincidence. And, yes, you get points just for growing the arms, but the spirit is to do something with them. I spent my time this morning flexing and getting a feel for them.
I’d rather not attach arbitrary numbers… but if you need a key, might I suggest the release date? I had considered number them, but ultimately didn’t because each task is associated with a particular date… so… You could refer to the Many Arms task as the 2021-01-15T06:00:00Z task, and I will understand that just fine. 
It wouldn’t be annoying at all. Please do! Another name on the board would make me quite happy. 
You can claim up to any one task that has ever been released each night provided you did the task after the exact moment at which I posted it to this thread. So, yes… all previous tasks are an option until you hit five successes. Then you can keep doing them… but they won’t give you points (beyond, maybe, the lucid points )
For reference, the task board can be found here.
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Ahah great!
For some reason I thought we had to be doing the tasks to get points haha
So I have:
(Excerpts from) Jan 14, 2021
I see my father placing stuff into my box where I keep sentimental things. Apparently my parents have opened the box and decided what they should get rid of or not. And apparently, they’ve read my old dream journals I keep in there.
I almost panic. What!? How could they! And they kept it a secret from me! My mom starts to ask me a question about Carol and I run away. I run out into the snow. I flop down near a vegetable bed in which beets are growing.
[[Recall Gap]]
I stand at the side of my sister’s bed in my old room. Suddenly, as if I’ve spurted a leak, water gushes out from my side.
What?!
My clothes are soaked. I consider the possibility that I could be dreaming, but everything feels so real! I end up scrutinizing the numbers on the microwave; they are inconsistent and I decide I must be dreaming.
I recall my intention to meet STEVE for tea and find myself outside of what could be a bar or coffee shop. Nearby, my girlfriend stands. I turn to her, recognizing a smile that doesn’t quite match my girlfriend’s smile.
“STEVE!( Is that you?)”
She replies playfully like she was trying to trick me but I caught her “YUP!”
I run my hands through her hair and find her appearance shifts to something that looks more like her usual self. We walk into the coffee shop together and sit down at a bar.
“What do you want (to eat or drink. Remember, no coffee…)”
“CAKE!” She replies enthusiastically.
I laugh, “Alright,” I raise my voice to the wait staff and gesture to the empty bar in front of us. “Let’s get some cake over here!”
While we wait on our cake we have a quick conversation.
[[ Snipped ]]
We sit somberly until someone brings us our cake.
It’s a single slice of mousse cake or cheese cake. It has a gram cracker crust and swirls of chocolate and caramel syrup on top. STEVE shoots me a mischievous grin as I notice fancy coffee beans also on the cake.
(YOU JUST SAID NO COFFEE… NOTHING ABOUT COFFEE BEANS .)
I can’t help but laugh as I roll my eyes. “Alright, fine, have your coffee beans.” It think the cake might contain some kind of coffee liquor. It’s very rich and it’s delicious.
[[Recall Gap]]
We dance together. We flow around hand in hand. It’s a delight.
[[End Recall]]
(Excerpts from) Jan 29, 2021
…We’re supposed to go to the local carnival, down near the river.
I am wearing some strange shorts with a pattern I don’t like and try to find some suitable cloths that I like that feel like me. I notice I am wearing my black binder. I like how I look in it.
The dream is unstable and suddenly find myself outside the building, standing beside some construction materials. This is a dream? It’s slipping! I stick my hand in a pile of gravel. I stare at the gravel. I can’t feel it so I run my hands against some metal sheets, pushing my hands into the edges so it hurts.
“Ough, well. That hurts but it does work.”
I walk to the side of the hotel and stick my body through a window. I guess this is a dream, then. Earlier in the dream my girlfriend had agreed to take me to the skate park. I decide I still want to go and I see her vehicle driving beside the hotel.
I see her in the passenger seat, and Carol at the wheel. She turns around the side of the hotel out of sight and I quickly follow.
I see my girlfriend’s SUV has changed into a slick sports car the same jade green as Carol’s lipstick. It’s a convertible and the top is down. Summer is gone, but Carol casually leans against the side of the vehicle.
(Will you give me a ride to the skate park?)
She smirks and moves behind the wheel (Sure.)
I get in the passenger side and she takes off at an almost reckless speed. We zoom through the landscape with the carnival on our right and the river on our left. There are several hills, and with the speed, the car lifts into the air at the crest of every hill, soaring into the sky. I feel weightless in the air like gravity has been suspended until we hit the ground with a little bounce. I am delighted; this is really fun. Carol matches her driving to how one might tear around in a vehicle based video game, although gracefully and without damaging the vehicle.
We zoom over a little stream from the river and I think too late that I should have make a ramp out of ice.
The dream’s instability ripples throughout the world and I end up standing in front of the parked car. Carol remains behind the wheel. I take a step back against the car, and feel a sharp piece of metal cut through the back of my right thigh.
It hurts really badly. I look at it and muse to myself that in WL this would be a stitches situation. Blood starts to stream out of the deep cut. I try to dismiss the pain as I get back into the passenger’s side of the vehicle.
[[End]]
(Excerpts from) February 4, 2021
I’m floating high in a dusk sky. The colors are purple and soft, quite similar to the colors I’ve been using in my comic art. I am ascending upwards, lucidly aware.
I find that my usual floating posture lets me get higher, but assuming the superman stance with my fists in front of me lets me cover some distance. However, in the superman stance I lose altitude slowly, so I switch between the two postures to fly.
I feel very free. Weightless. Perhaps even a little giggly. I smile.
Flying may be the cliché of lucid dreaming, but I find great joy in my light heart, as if it’s holding me off the ground.
Below me looks like the interstate and the rolling hills that go by my childhood home.
Suddenly, the dream shifts and I lose lucidity.
I’m with a group on the ground, getting in an inflated tube in the stream that runs nearby.
[[End Recall]]
So I’m really bad at judging the length of my dreams. Most of my lucid dreams tend to happen in the last few hours of sleep (I know because I often wake up in the middle of the night and they happen after that, quite often the last dream of the night. I don’t usually lapse in my consciousness between the end of the lucid dream and waking up for the morning.) and feel like…really long???
Maybe this is unusual but I’m not sure. So I’ll just do my best to estimate…
The first one was…probably longer than 8 minutes??? so 5 points?
The second one was shorter than that one, probably between 6-8 minutes, so 4 points.
The last one was actually really short for me, I would say probably around 3 minutes, so 2 points?
For a total of 11 points? I’m not sure how anyone estimates time in their dreams it’s always feelt strange to me despite being pretty good at estimating time in WL.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
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It’s the same with the quests, you are especially doing this for yourself, so you can feel easy about the estimation. Nobody will blame you for doing it wrong, because we also don’t know any better how long your dreams actually are
I also find judging the length very difficult as I haven’t done it before. But practice makes perfect, right? For starters I evaluate the dream in regards to the course of actions I was doing. Then I imagine how long doing all those things would have taken me in waking life. Then I add a touch of feeling offset or factor to end up with the final result.
There’s also the thing with accelerated or slowed down consciousness as well as false memories in dreams which can make dreams feel like hours or even much longer. I’m not sure how to judge those yet and I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. But I assume the points of the LTLT are supposed to award the accomplishment of having your mind stay in a lucid state and this should be judged from a real world perspective. So I guess the minutes probably ought to represents how much in real world time your sleeping brain spent in lucidity. For those extreme cases anyway. For normal dreams estimating based on the dream experience alone should be a good enough approximation
For reference, the task board can be found here.
I’ve logged your points @Splash. 
We’re now up to 4 people on the task board. This makes me really happy.
That is mainly the intent. Ultimately, the time estimates are yours to make and don’t have to be completely grounded in real world time. Short of hooking yourself up to an EKG machine and communicating via signals that you’re dreaming to measure the time you’ll never get an accurate result. I personally do something similar to what @Marvin does, but I probably bias it a bit more to how long the dream internally felt (30 seconds doing this activity, 20 seconds talking to some DCs, a minute or two of flying, etc.).
In the LC, lucid dream lengths were relative to your personal best / average. I found that made it even harder to do good estimates or even have a sense of improvement so I swapped it out for fixed time lengths instead. While it might end up being harsher on newcomers (most of my first LDs barely broke 30 seconds, I think), I believe the feeling of accomplishment at lengthening a dream is very rewarding.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
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https://community.ld4all.com/t/surrealistic-dreams/75585/12?u=surrealistic
Was trying for additional arms but not much success? Transformations are tricky! About 4 or so minutes lucid though before dream ended too soon.
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Hi @Surrealistic. So I went ahead and put you down for a medium-short length LD (was this supposed to be a medium length?). As to the multiple arms attempt… did you succeed? I can’t tell if you think you did from your post or not.
As for me, I had a short LD this morning… Sadly no tasks.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
I’m actually having some odd mixed feelings about assigning a value to my LDs by length or examining them by how many minutes they are? Or maybe it’s easier for me to just think of my dreams as “short, medium or long” instead of in minutes?
Would it be ok going forward for me to judge my dreams by the intrinsic length they feel instead of trying to estimate the minutes? This would be more based off the “dream experience” than the WL time though, so I understand if y’all feel it’s not in the spirit of the LTLT. (want to make sure everyone participating feels this is ok???)
I hope to do some of the tasks, on the right night. Currently trying to sort out some personal stuff through my dreams, so I haven’t made any of the tasks my goal yet.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
That’s fine thank you 
Not as good as yours and Marvin’s transformations.
Maybe I should just revert it to how the LC does with subjective, personal lengths… my only qualm with doing so is that, in my experience, all my lucids end up as “mediums” because of averages. If I could get everyone’s input on this, I’d probably end up going with whatever the majority thinks. I personally went with “subjective time length” in minutes in order to have something somewhat divorced from personal averages to try to make it a bit more quantified.
Okay, but I still don’t know if you feel like you did the task or not… the dream reads like you did… but you’ve only said “attempted” so… 
Please give me 1 more lucidity point for my Unresolution. It was about 1 minute only.
As for the lucidity points discussion, I am very happy with the current rules actually. The reason why I approve of this way of tracking the points is because it provides a much more absolute means of scoring. I can understand why Cornelia wants to have a metric like this, because it allows better comparison between participants and also with your former and future self. As a compromise however, I wouldn’t be angry if other participants just rate their LDs based on a personal scale of 1 through 5.
I think we can reach a consensus here. Let’s see:
Please help me better understand your point view. Please try to describe what those feelings are that you get about assigning a value to your LDs.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
Your point is incoming, @Marvin, and I’m glad you’re also having a lucidity streak. It feels nice to be having LDs again, even if they’re short. I’m very glad I started this last month.
This was my main reason for switching to some kind of time unit. Spot on there.
Also… one short LD for me this morning as well! Oh… and the rest of those two dreams were just massive amounts of false lucidity.
For reference, the task board can be found here.
Oh! Sure! So my conflict is not about assigning value to my LDs. It’s about making that value based on the length of that dream. Like my head feels conflicted to say “this dream is worth more because it was longer than this other one.” Although I think I am getting too much in my head about it and actually I think I’m over it now It’s be a bit chaotic at my workplace(s) lately (interviewing some job candidates, (literally) planting seeds for a big project, and doing some floral work for Valentines!) so I think I’ve been a little flustered about everything and anything the past few days
When I remove the minutes from assessing the length, I feel much more positive and confident about the metric. Maybe just because I’ve never thought about my dreams in minutes (?) although I can think of them as “short, medium, or long” for more of a relative scale (as I mentioned, many of my dreams feel very long, so ones that feel “short” or “medium” might be long in minutes to others?) and that feels better to me.
Completely valid and I am totally still on board if you want to keep it how it is! Just thought I might express my perspective. If it ends up that most my LDs end up being 5 point shots, (since most of them seem longer than 8 minutes) that’s alright with me too
For reference, the task board can be found here.
2021-02-12T06:00:00Z: Pizza!
Objective: Eat a slice of pizza. Any kind will do!
Time for the first food task! Find yourself a slice of pizza and take a bite. Whether its tomato-based, gluten free, with or without cheese. If it’s pizza, it’ll do. Remember to savor the flavor!
For reference, the task board can be found here.
So I kind of get your reasoning… the only problem is that ascribing a quality level to lucids is rather difficult… and quality tends to be proportional to the length of the lucid dream most of the time (unstable dreams / low quality lucids tend not to last very long, either with the dreamer waking up or fading back into a normal dream). Not sure what a good solution is right now…
I also noticed a conflicting aspect of the length based estimation. I spent really long dreams balancing on the blurry line between auto pilot ND and real clarity LD, which would score well on the minutes level but feel less satisfying. Then there are unfortunately short lucid dreams where I’m the ultimate god of the dream world in both omniscience and omnipotence, but which would still only score a single point.
But like Cornelia said, the quality level is very subjective whereas the time duration metric has more of an objective side to it, that’s why I also like it. I’m fine however if other people on the task board use a different approach.
I wonder, @Splash, what feelings do you have in general about assigning a numerical value and thus a “worth“ to a dream?
My brain is all fried, sorry if my rambling makes no discernable sense 
For reference, the task board can be found here.
All valid points. When I think about trying to come up with an objective metric to base points on I really can’t come up with anything better than length, honestly.
At first, I wasn’t sure if I liked it because I think all dreams have an inherent “worth” and I wasn’t sure if it was fair to rank some as more worth than others. However, I think I’ve kinda been assigning “worth” to my dreams and LDs for a while now in some form. I keep a loooong running bulleted list of all my dream journal entries with the date and a short title. I use font size to designate how significant the dream seems to me. Tiny pt.8 font? not a very prominent dream. 13 pt. font? Super significant, probably an emotionally important moment for me.
And now I’m settling on the that stance that the objective and parameters of LTLT is more fun and motivating than anything. Not gonna lie I know it’s not a competition but sharing things here and “earning” points for dreams is actually a pretty fun and motivating thing, even if there’s no perfect metric for assigning points. It does feel pretty great to say:
Put me down for 10 points because I had a long LD in which I did the mirror task and it would be one that I would add to my personal list in a 12 or 13 pt. font, OR (Excerpts from) Feb 13, 2021.
I’m trying to either find or buy and item- I’m out on a errand or something, but people are following me. They carry with them this off-putting unsettling energy. They’re not chasing me down, but walking, slowly, just following me around.
I walk through an odd series of rooms. Several have some furniture in them, but they have strange layouts with lots of corners and different floor heights.
I pass through a room set up like a kitchen into another room with some wardrobes and mirrors. I’m at a higher level than most the room, which has a lower section but no apparent stairs.
Suddenly, I’m spontaneously lucid, this is a dream!
A dream character resembling one of my friends stands in the room. She is wearing her orange hat and her hair is a pastel pink. I haven’t been enjoying the dream thus far, there’s this odd ominous energy from the people following me. I wonder if they’ll show up soon.
I turn to my friend “I want to (transition to a new dream, the next dream- how do I do that)?” She looks at me kinda clueless, like she’s not sure but she tries to come up with something. “Just fall back (off the wardrobe).” she says so in a tone and with a gesture that she has no clue but just wanted to suggest an idea, to be fun or silly.
There is a wardrobe that I can walk out onto and I could fall back onto the lower level. I wonder if falling back may wake me up, but decide to try it. I walk out to the edge and turn around. I shift my weight into my heels and let myself rock off the side. I hit the ground painlessly, the dream stable. Well, that didn’t do a thing.
I know I wanted to dance with STEVE, but the energy in this dream isn’t right for that right now. I should have a backup idea, right? “Well”, I muse to myself, “I could go back to that kitchen and eat some pizza for the long term lucid task list challenge…”
“Or…” I look around the room eyeing a large mirror on the wall. “…(Perhaps I can change this dream yet! -And do one of the other task list objectives at the same time)!”
I can go through this mirror and maybe that’ll shift the dream to something new too! I approach the mirror and put my hand up to it. Upon trying to go through, it seems like I am bumping into my own reflection, which reflects me as I usually look. Usually when I try to go through solid objects similar to this, it helps to move slowly, but since that doesn’t seem to be working I decide to try another method.
I backup and then run at the mirror. As I get close to it, I decide to drop down and try a baseball slide into it. As I connect with the mirror, it seems to swing open where I hit it like two double doors being pushed open at the same time. It closes behind me and I find myself in a new room
(Well, not quite what I wanted or expected…I’m not sure if that’ll count for the LTLT…), I get the feeling the people are still following me, too, and decide I should try again. Coincidently, this room is filled with mirrors. Several of them look like the mirrors I had in my room growing up. Body length mirrors with green or blue trim. I find a large square mirror with a thick decorative silver trim leaning up against a white wall among the other mirrors. This one should do nicely. I try the slow approach again and lean my shoulder and upper body through the mirror first. I find myself able to slip through. The surface seems to ripple a bit as I step through to the other side and pull my other leg through.
The looming energy from the people following me is gone. Here it’s bright and the energy is lighthearted. I see a nice brown and black checkered ballroom dance floor. I think the space seems like it’s part of a large venue, perhaps a large fancy hotel.
Now this is the place to dance! I a approached by a young adult with straight shoulder length black hair. She has warm brown eyes and appears to be of Korean ethnicity. She has a warm smile. I take her hand and walk out onto the dance floor. “(You don’t quite look like STEVE usually does…)”
She has an upbeat tone to her voice (“IT’S NOT THE APPERANCE THAT MATTERS, BUT THE ENERGY ITSELF!),” She points with both hands to her smile. I laugh at STEVE’s playful nature, her energy is unmistakable. As soon as I call her façade, I notice her energy shift out of the DC, it moves out of the room and comes running back in STEVE’s usual form, a Caucasian young adult wearing a white dress with a red sash and platinum blonde electric hair. The other DC moves off the dance floor as STEVE jumps into my arms enthusiastically. “(May I have this dance?)” I give her a platonic kiss on the cheek, delighted to have this moment with her. “(IT WOULD BE MY HONOR.)”
Another familiar form enters the ballroom, Carol’s energy is also unmistakable. Her presence demands the attention of everyone in the room. The chatter among DCs quiets down and all attention is turned to her. She doesn’t even have to announce her call to a toast as she announces STEVE and I about to dance.
She seems to be scolding as she speaks, but with a smile in her voice, “(And now, all eyes to the dance floor to witness the pair that I have had the misfortune of knowing to ruin all the things I have ever planned…)” she pauses and her tone turns soft “(…in the best possible way…The dreamer and STEVE, everyone-)” The DCs in the room clap from their seats at round tables and the room goes dark except for the lights on us.
I smoothly spin STEVE out of my arms onto the dance floor beside me with her hand in mine. We raise our outside arm in unison to receive the welcome of the audience and Carol’s introduction. I glance over to STEVE to find that somewhere in the spin her outfit has changed to nice dark suit with a bright red tie. I think I’m wearing something similar. Time to shine!
We swing dance across the floor. I am incredibly joyful to have this moment. Dancing with STEVE is always a delight. As usual there’s quite a bit of spinning and sliding across the floor. I match her enthusiasm and high energy.
Off the floor somewhere Carol continues talking, but I am not sure what she says.
STEVE and I continue our dance. Spinning, sliding, hand in hand. Step close , then away, then back again. I’m so focused on the flow that I don’t notice the gradual change in scenery, the ballroom has changed to the floral design lab room and Carol’s talking has turned into [[my boss]] instructing students with a floral design demo. I think [[a coworker]] is with her too, but I don’t turn my focus away from the dance long enough to find out.
STEVE and I share a unique joy dancing together. Even if we are not trying to form Recovery, her energy lives in the dance in some form. We swing together until I wake up, the dream slowly fades away.
[[End]].
For reference, the task board can be found here.
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