Losing My Religion

I’m not sure where to place this topic but I’m just putting it in here.

I have been around here on this site for almost a year now and have just registered myself to this forum. So this is my first post :smile:

This story is about my life, my religion (Islam), my family and the use of magic mushrooms and LSD. I’m describing myself in Islam, and my OBE and ego-death experience which made me quit Islam and think of myself instead of letting a holy book control my thoughts.

I want to share it with you guys, so I hope you’ll enjoy it.

Losing My Religion
I was born in the Middle East in a very religious family. I have followed Islam since I was a little kid, but suddenly I decided to quit the religion back when I was 17, even though it was a very big part of my life. I can’t really put words on what happened in my mind, I just felt myself as a slave for a God whose existence has never been proven to anyone.

My mother hired four imams (Muslim priests) just to make me change my mind and reconvert to Islam. She was afraid that I would make a big mess in my life and then regret it. That’s a very typical thought for a Muslim - for a Muslim there is no other reality than the reality which Islam gives you when you are being raised with the religion. Once you quit the religion your life will be complete nonsense, both in your own head and in the eyes of others.

My mother is a very religious woman and has a very personal relationship to Islam; therefore she just can’t understand my thoughts because she is isolated from the world’s reality by the reality of Islam. I still respect the religion even though I decided to quit it and denied all of its allegations and theories on God’s words and the human existence.

When I decided to quit the religion I realized that religion is an important thing in people’s lives. A religion is something that gives people hope and meaning. Your life won’t be meaningless any longer when you have joined a religion. It gives you answers on what is going to happen to you once you die, and at the same time it has a law that tells you how to act in the world if you want to be a part of heaven. It makes sense to many people, but it just didn’t make sense to me. To me it felt very absurd and ridiculous to know that if I didn’t follow the law of the religion, I actually was making my way directly to hell. I didn’t like the feeling that took over my body every time I did something wrong, which is stamped as reprehensible in the religion. I was always afraid because I knew that God was watching me and my actions 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I couldn’t have a private life; I couldn’t be completely alone in the world, and that annoyed me a lot.

I also realized that religion was a way to control a community in the same way as the government does today. 1400 years ago you couldn’t control a country in the same way as today, because no one possessed the authority and power to make people act exactly as you wanted them to. In this case religion was a very effective way to control people: One “God”, the creator of the universe, was watching all of us. He knew what we were doing, and he was going to judge all of us. The humans created an illusion of a powerful God, and the citizens believed in it. They believed that someone (e.g. Jesus, Mohammed, etc.) had talked to God, and that God told the person concerned that the people of the world had to follow a law. If they did so, they would get access to heaven - the most beautiful and peaceful place in the universe. Otherwise, they were going to be thrown into the warmest and most horrible place in the entire universe: Hell.

That frightened a huge part of the world, and people believed in it. Since then religions grew and got more powerful than ever before. They were very effective, and every single person in the world simply had to believe in it if he didn’t want to be killed and be judged by God when he died… which would be a horrible ever-lasting experience.

After I got these thoughts, I was suddenly able to see through the religious system. I told my mother and the imams about my thoughts, and they then told me that I was possessed by an evil spirit - by Satan himself. It was very hard for me not to believe in what they said to me, but I never gave up. They kept telling me that the worst thing I could do was to quit Islam, because that was something that God just didn’t want to see his own people do - that would make him judge me even harder than anyone else in the world. I was very afraid, and for about six months I was considering suicide, just to get away from the effective religious brain wash. But I couldn’t do that… I couldn’t get away from my fear of God, either while I was living or when I was dead. If I committed suicide I could be wrong and then meet God, who would torture me forever. I was forced to live and suffer because of my thoughts. There was absolutely nothing to do about it.

I had a friend who told me that magic mushrooms and acid (LSD) were drugs that were able to put me into a mystical and religious experience which could help me out with my thoughts. I read a lot about these drugs and tried them in small doses, just to sense the psychedelic world. Some months later I was thinking of consuming a huge dose of both drugs at once.

I consumed the huge doses. In the trip I met a good spirit and an evil spirit who talked to me about my life, my family and my religion. They killed me so my soul could be free and fly into the enormous universe. I died. My ego died. I got detached from my body and my senses. I was lying safely in my bed and couldn’t move, smell, see, hear or anything. My soul had left my ego and was set free. I didn’t know who I was or where I was. There was nothing called “me”, and I couldn’t stop the experience and say to myself that I had ingested big amounts of two very powerful psychedelic drugs. The experience was 100% real and was hard to deny.

The spirits took my soul with them into outer space where “I” (my soul) saw billions of stars. I also saw a circle that looked like a black crack in the universe. The spirits had taken my soul to the circle and wanted me to fly into it… they would stay outside and wait for me. And I did that.

In the circle I experienced an indescribable divinity, which you just can’t describe in words. All of a sudden, without being told by anyone, I knew that “God”, as we humans call him, wasn’t a judgmental God… “God” was pure energy. God was mystical divinity. God was the vitality of our lives and any living things among us. God was us. Nature was God, animals were Gods, Mother Earth was God, and the entire universe was God. It’s incredibly hard to explain, but this is what makes sense. This is what people had to understand in this world. But the divinity was removed from religions, where power and control are essentials; they are the motive power in Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

I gained clearness, and suddenly I could understand everything. I could understand and see how the religion affected me physically, and I could see the way out of this brainwash. After this experience, which lasted for about 2 hours, I got kicked out from the circle and back to the spirits. The spirits made some kind of a conclusion, and, before I ever noticed it, I was back into my own body again. I woke up, and I was still lying safely in my bed. The spirits disappeared and left me behind.

Today, after my amazing experience with the magic mushrooms and LSD, I have found myself. I don’t have to be addicted to a religion anymore and be in need for it just to get some meaning in my life and existence in this universe. Today, after the trip, my life makes much more sense than it did before, when Islam was an active part of my life.

In the end my mother gave up, and so did the imams. They told me that I was going to burn in hell forever and that I shall consider reconverting. I remained as strong as I was after my trip. Every time my religion and the imams annoyed me using the religion against me, I just led my thoughts in the lines of what the spirits told me. Every time I remembered that, the religion didn’t have any form of effect on me anymore.

The imams told my mother that I wanted freedom to do whatever I wanted to in this world without being punished by God. In the eyes of my mother and the priests, this was a totally wrong way to live out my life. But that was my decision, and no one could change it.

Today I believe in karma, in Gaia (Gaia = Mother Earth is “God”) and some kind of reincarnation. I believe that everything a person does has some kind of consequences. I also believe that Mother Earth and the other planets are the real Gods in this universe - they will judge everything that happens in the universe. This also means that I think there’s some kind of parallel universes to our universe - I don’t think we are alone at all.

And last but not least, after my experience with the psychedelics, I believe that our ego will be dissolved somehow when we die. That means that nobody can say “what will happen to me when I die”. There will not be any “me”, and therefore no one can be judged and punished - the punishment happens while alive. So I think that our soul, the “invisible” energy (invisible for humans, not animals and plants) that keeps us alive, will be mixed with other energies among us in this world. The energy can then be used for many things; for example to form a new soul to go into other living organisms in the universes.

This is what I believe in, and this is my own thoughts I have come to by dropping out of Islam and by getting such an amazing experience on psychedelics.

That was a nice post aliaarhus, it reminds me of an anecdote i once read;

This fellow was climbing a tree when suddenly he slipped. He grabbed a branch and was hanging there. After an hour or so passed, he was feeling exhausted. He looked up to the heavens and cried out: “God, help me, please, help me.”
Suddenly the clouds parted and a deep voice resounded, “Let Go!”
The guy paused and looked up at heaven once more, and said: “Is there anyone else up there?”

One can interpret this example as a change from a mythic to a logic world view: instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/mythos.htm

But i think the logical world view isn’t evrything either. When someone asks me what i think about the nature of existence I just tend to say ‘I don’t know, its a mystery to me, it just exists!’ A part of me tries not to choose just to observe, cause the mind by which choices are made, also divides the universe so that choices are needed.

Agree, very good post you have there aliaarhus. Your experience with these psychedelics are pretty common I would say.

I can only imagine how hard it would be. Growing up under strict religious rules. The idea they force on people that they will be damned to eternal hell if they do not follow the commandements in their religion I find very irritating. It’s such a good way to force people to stay. After all, how can I be sure there isn’t a small chance their right and i’ll be damned…Luckily, im not under that spell.

I do not agree with your interpretation that you will dissolve totally after death. Yes, your current ego may dissolve, or rather, not remain as your main focus anymore. But, your identity will always be there, donning different masks according to the situation you are in. You are not your ego, your ego changes constantly. Remember being a child? You weren`t the same then as you are now, but yet it was you.

In any event, nothing you can do, will rob you off your divinity. That’s just my opinion though.

Aliaarhus, your story is a lot like my own. As I read it, I couldn’t stop putting myself in your place. On the other hand, you certainly suffered a lot more along your journey.

I had a lot more of a reply typed out, but my browser crashed and I could only recover some of it( :cry: ), but here’s the rest of a new version:

I was raised to be Catholic by my mother, my father never really believed in anything, and my life experiences caused me to always see followers as very hypocritical. They go to mass every week, but then leave to the parking lot where they get into their cars and flip other drivers off or other equally stupid and hateful things. Don’t most major religions forbid killing? It seems like some people get too caught up in petty things and religion turns into a license to kill when they find someone who disagrees with their beliefs (mostly referring to the middle east here). Also, if there is a God somewhat controlling us here on Earth, wouldn’t he want us to truly live full and happy lives? I find it hard to believe that a God as almighty and powerful as they must be would find any pleasure in seeing humans sacrifice for him or live as slaves to his words. I see man’s desire for power as a negative characteristic, not one that God would possess.

I became very attuned to pot over the years, and I had a very intense trip on DXM once before. During the trip, I visited a place like you described where I saw my soul as a bright orange firebird-like being fly around. It zipped around what appeared to me to be the center of a volcano with bright orange magma bubbling about. Here’s a short excerpt from my trip report:

my ears pop again, and a powerful feeling came over me as i felt like i was one with the world, almost as if i had died and my spirit was making it’s final passage into the center of the spirit realm. have you ever seen the final fantasy movie? if you answered yes, then you must remember the pinkish, volcano-looking thing at the end. that’s where i was, but this time i saw it in vivid color. my spirit flew like an orange and yellow firebird, eventually into the the thing where it seamlessly combined with it. my eyes opened and i found myself still in my bed. i was relieved to still be alive, but the feeling of bliss that came with seeing the end was so worth it.

Ever since then, I’ve become more and more like you desribe yourself today. I feel like there’s a cycle in which the whole world is connected, and the lives most human’s live today is counteractive to how the cycle is supposed to work. I know that every action you make has a consequence, and I’m starting to believe in reincarnation. It makes sense to me that humans are not the only beings on this planet with a soul. Perhaps when we die, our dream state will take over for while before our soul is put back into the cycle as any other type of being on the Earth?

aliaarhus, thanks for sharing, very interesting, sounds like an amazing trip. i was just wondering what form of islam you were following. have you ever looked into esoteric islam?

i just finished this book and would recommend it to anyone interested in a logical, fascinating way to look at the “sacred books”. it is:

“Swedenborg and Esoteric Islam” by Henry Corbin.

he comes to some very very interesting conclusions and it may open up a way to look at religion that you haven’t had before, at least it did for me. i went to church when i was younger and it never felt right for me. then i tried drugs and it made me think differently. now after getting into lucid dreaming, it seems as if things are speeding up and i am becoming very interested in spirituality. drugs can open up a door, but they can’t get you inside.

Erm, can’t get you inside? If drugs can’t get you inside, I don’t know anything that can.

drugs are of this sensory (exoteric) world and therefore keep you there. by going inside i mean to an esoteric world. you take drugs and it changes your consciousness but then its over and it was fun, you come back to your soberness but with a new outlook. you don’t stay there, you only get a temporary peek (peak).

Well, you are inside for a while. Don’t know of anything that can keep you inside all the time. Without drugs you would usually need to be very proficient at some form of meditation to reach these stages and good change you wont be able to reach as far as you can with drugs.

and that temporary peek isn’t even the truth.

Thanks for your replies.

Timothy Leary once said that the world which LSD shows you actually is the real world, and I think he’s right… or that it is more real than the world we know: There is something more real than the psychedelic world. But the psychedelic world might be called “real”, because animals and plants are there - if we are there too, we will become “real”. Humans is closer to point “B”.

We human beings have just moved away from that world (mentally) in many generations. In every generation there is made small changes to our perception of the world - many generations later, these changes are so big when put together that it probably will “change” the world as we know it today.

You may explain it this way:
A |–D-P–x----------------------| B

“A” is the point that is deeper than we are able to reach today. I would call that point “universe of pure energy” or something like that: The whole existence is made of pure energy.

If you go against point B, the universe will get more and more “concentrated”. Concentrations of energies will exist there, and if you go a little more against point B, the psychedelic world (“P”) will come into existence.

“x” is humans today. The world as we know it is very “material”: You can’t see the air, for example. Here you can use Darwin’s selection theory: Humans went some points against point B, and after many generations air was selected away: The humans where able to see “clearer” and focus on material things.

But if you take a psychedelic drug or if you step into the psychedelic world in other ways (meditation, dreams, etc.), the air will become visible. You will start to see things that “don’t exist”, because you are born and raised by your parents to understand the point “x” (I think that babies are born in point “P”). Psychedelic drugs, meditation and dreams just “turn off” our minds and open the “channels” in our brains that make it possible to understand, see, hear and feel the psychedelic world. But these channels are closed today in most humans, and again: Darwin’s selection theory will explain this.

I think that the world which psychedelic drugs show us is the real world. The same with the dream world, the world you enter with meditation, placebo, and so on. It is only different because some of the methods may be deeper than the others (deeper = goes against point A).

I also think that you can get even deeper into yourself and the universe than above methods allows… perhaps by using these methods too, or other methods, but it is very hard to reach these points.

Our world today is very “systematic”. Things are put into systems, but that’s not the human nature. Therefore things can seem very hard to deal with… by stepping into the psychedelic world in dreams, by using drugs or by meditating, you will get questions answered, because there is much less “system” in that world.

Animals and plants are already in the psychedelic world, and that would explain why they don’t have mentally problems in their nature. (Does this make sense at all? :razz:)

Sorry for misspellings, but I’m pretty tired today… so I hope it makes sense.

/Edit: I forgot to explain point “D”. D stands for “Death”. It’s the world where all souls meet and live with each other. This point is deeper than the psychedelic world, but the psychedelic world makes it possible for you to get into a dialogue with the souls, spirits, and so on.

I suppose the a–b scale you use is referring to the devolepment of consciousness? One can’t be conscious without being conscious of something. One can be conscious of many things. When one is aware of everything maybe one has absolute consciousness?. But our perspective is a bit more relative. This relativity means that something can’t be more real or un-real i.e. all you ever see are things that exist! One can ponder however on what it is that one is aware off. One can try to define the object of awareness, but that’s a rather relative venture (i.e. the world shows its self to be different all the time). Entheogenics are a most valuable means to an end, but don’t go tripping 24/7 in order to exist in a world that is more ‘real’, if u get what i mean…

yes i’d say be very careful with drugs; they can provide a means for showing you a little more of what’s really going on but they can seriously damage your body if it goes on too long.

anyway I can relate to your experiences but let me tell you that you’ve been through a hell of a lot more than I have. I had this one period where I was totally into Catholicism and wanted to become a priest and all that, back when i was maybe 10 or 11. but i started looking closer at what my mother and friends were saying about Christianity, like you need to devote time and service to God, you need to follow His rules, and all these ‘conditions’ that you must meet to get into heaven. It was seriously too much to handle. so for about 2 or 3 years I went atheistic and doubted god, probably because of a desire for revenge on how things were in my life. but later on my sister gave me “Conversations with God for Teens” and I thought “oh wow another god book” but that night curiousity got the better of me (or it could be that God got the better of me) and I realized it wasn’t about the image of god I was exposed to earlier, but a whole new concept that I fell in love with.

I realized that God is ever-existing and ever-present, and nothing we can do can hurt it or stop it from existing. We are the evidence that God exists. so because of that there is no need to ‘follow the rules’ because God doesn’t NEED you to. God won’t die because we don’t follow the rules or deny time or service. and the moment i realized this changed my entire life. I could now do a lot more than I thought possible. I could stop worrying about whether it was ok to do this or that. My mind and spirit were FREE!

I didn’t use drugs or anything to experience this, but I don’t discourage light use of them for this purpose. However once you have realized something, I recommend stopping the use of drugs because they do give you an unnatural high. the highs that I have experienced arose out of self-realization and therefore were completely natural to have and even though I do not have the experience of drug-highs, i could probably say that natural ones are more exciting than drug-induced ones. less frequent, but definitely more exciting, and peaceful.

so since then i’ve been trying to help other people realize this. we’re a lot more divine than most of us realize and hopefully people will encounter and discover their true selves. God loves each and every one of us, we’re all going to heaven, so don’t worry about what is ok and what is not, just have fun and enjoy life!

Many NDE’s are similiar to Drug Trips. I think basically we are in the Spirit World at the very moment but the Brain is simply filtering all this extra information out.

I agree with everything in this thread btw.

I feel that life is essentially the path to unconditional Love. All we care about in Life is to Love or be Loved. So each day we get up looking for it, in all aspects. Loving our music, jobs, wives, parents, girlfriends. We keep trying to find that One Love that will remain Eternal. We get the occasional peek through our experiences of Life, but we are MEANT to forget it, we are meant to experience both good and bad. And each glimpse is another to carry us on day by day. And I think, in the end, we all find what we were looking for because we were It the entire time. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that all Religion equates God to Light and Love. That’s my personal ‘proof’ of my belief in the Spiritual Realm.

We begin as Love, we live as Love, we return to Love.

I think the next Life will be ‘more real than real.’ Many people fear the death of Ego and the loss of the individual but I think it’s a blissful experience that we will RIGHTFULLY CHOOSE to do. I think we have Free Will and it doens’t stop after Death. That’s why there are so many lost souls on Earth right now, most are afraid of this (due to Dogmatic Religions). Makes you wonder how deeply Religious the motives are behind all the World’s Politics and actions.

But I think upon Death we will recieve our Review, realize “Hey, I’m Dead, and thats ok!” We are dynamic Souls and always changing as people. I mean, are you the same person you were 20 years ago? 10? 5? 2? 1 Minute ago? Every second you assimiliate more information and I think this process is Eternal. We find it hard to believe, that we ALL might be God’s ourselves one day.

This shocks us, just as telling a young boy that he will some day be a Warrior…or to believe that Oak Tree lies within the Acorn. I think Life is one large Metaphor and was never meant to be taken literally. All we needed to do was to view Life through the eyes of God/Love/Eternity to see exactly why we’re here and what we need to do.

:happy:

ditto

The thing I hate about religion is all the preaching!!!

the thing i don’t really like is how some people make out their religion to be the one and only and strike down ALL others! and it almost pushes me over the edge whenever people actually BELIEVE them and don’t genuinely harmonize with the beliefs themselves… ugh but at least I don’t so i’m still safe hehe :smile:

I usually hit them with “So what Religion was God before he made the Earth?”

I wouldn’t say your ‘safe’, the world is currently being RUN by the very people you’re talking about. :confused:

That was an amazing story! Very inspirational!
I know of a lot of people who could benifit from reading this.
Religious people who try to press thier views on others, anti-drug prudes, oppressive parents, and even just random ordinary people.

You have broken a negative cycle, that would otherwise be carried down
the generational line, (if you have kids). Also, this article, if read by those in a similar situation, could give them the willpower to break free of thier oppresive religious beliefs, and other things too.

Well done.

i think that all the religions are connected because there’s a belief in God, rules, etc.
the problem is about the my religion is right yours isn’t kinda thing. i don’t think God created religion, man did.

I’m glad you realized a lot of things about religion, for example how it is used to control people. The new testiment, in christianity, is almost a complete fabrication of the real bible, and was done so for political purposes, just a small example. Jesus, was in fact a real person, but the old bible never said he was God, they government in those times made his “divine” so that christian people would have to go through him to go to heaven, and so they would have to go to the church that was preaching his divinity, its a very smart way of getting people to do what you want. Also, belief in yourself can give you all the hope you would need, I keep saying this, and I think its true, God is a key to unlocking what we can do, just that when a miracle happens we think its God, but really its us, this is because it is easier to believe in something els other then yourself just like its easier to follow someone els then think for yourself.

I think you did the right thing, religion is loosing its grip on people anyway, they had no other way to explain things then and so they turned to a creator, now we know better. Your just going along with the times, it has to end someday.

Mystery