i reached an all-time best last night. got to SP & HI and passed mental excitement… but then the feelings broke off and i lost some of the transition. so i should create movement in my mind? ok.
i did this without wbtb, maybe i should try wbtb and see how much further i can get?
i really like SP i dont know why people don’t… its like i know i can easily will myself to move, but im just so much further from actually doing it… like thinking " maybe i’ll move after this next attempt to sleep conscience".
Thanks for the post. It’s good that you take the attention away from all the SP and HI mambojambo. The less you take notice of the stuff happening to you the better is my experience. If you’re waiting for something to happen like vibration, SP or HI, then you probably never fall asleep at all. The only successful WILD attempt I had I didn’t even notice any HI or SP at all.
if you have a song stuck in your head, could you focus on that to stay “awake”?
When I have a song stuck in my head it does keep me awake, which is the problem. You see, when you WILD, you have to fall asleep. You have to be sleeping to dream. The trick is to stay aware. Now, there are some people who do respond well to music, and there is a variation on WILD that uses music to maintain focus. I want to say it’s called M-WILD, but I’m not sure 
Still, whatever you use make sure you can focus. I’ve fallen asleep with the TV on and the noise was just incorporated into the dream (i.e. DC’s were acting out what I was hearing). Music can be the same, so whatever you use, keep the focus on dreaming.
True. I was never really scared of SP, I was/am actually quite fond of it. And I would describe it like you can move, but you don’t know how to. Like you’re playing a game and you don’t know the controls to move.
My problem with WILD is that every night I get a new problem hehe. I try to find a solution during the day, and actually do find it but a new problem comes up. Sometimes I am too awake or just unaware. Sometimes I get iches that turn into pain with time and when I move I brake the process. Sometimes I’m just stuck at the same progress level for hours.
Well, i actually know the controls… use selective attention. focus on your left arm for eg. imagine sparks or light building up in it, trying to get out, you control the valve…so open it when you want to move… and thats only in extreme cases.
do you use WBTB? for some reason i don’t often try it… i guess because i have to work a early most mornings, so i try WILD without it, i think of it as intensive training lol.
i find reasons for faliure also. i think excersie around bedtime is one of the best things you can do, aswell as reading, writing, drawing, math,… anything mentally excersising. as well as a satisfying day. if you don’t feel you’ve accomplished much in a month, week, day, thoughts will not leave you alone at night, our sleep rituals reflect every other aspect of our lives.
approximately how much percent would my chances of a WILD increase if i start using WBTB? anyone guesstimate?
The chances would double, that’s for sure. If you give some effort to it, WBTB can really be useful.
thanks… i better try it soon, because i can get to a decent point without it.
Based on my experience it’s 100% seeing as how I’ve never had a successful WILD without WBTB. But, others have so that really doesn’t hold an water 
. No one can say how much higher the chances will be for you. As I’ve been trying to say, we’re all different and can all expect different results. Still, I would say that it would greatly increase your chances, even if you don’t get out of bed for the WBTB.
thanks, and i believe your right just based on how this morning after my alarm went off, i closed my eyes to try WILD except now i was almost too tired… i just need to focus more i think and my mind will drift.
Yes, find something that will keep you focused. It could also help if you wake up just a little bit more, like to write in you DJ
Like I said in the other thread, it would be good to have a clock that goes tick-tock. When you feel like you’re loosing awareness, just listen to it for a while.
sound ideas, thanks. if i find a clock like that… maybe at a fleamarket ill buy it. im going to WBTB tonight, ill see how i do. im starting to do automatic writting in the morning along with the DJ… so doing these for a while after i first wake up will rev my mind up enough to hold focus during WILD, is that right?
If I wake up for only 3 min ( turn off my alarm clock ), does it count as a WBTB or I should stay awake for 30min-1hour?
@Cabinfever: it’s not that it will help hold focus so much as it will help you fall asleep and go into REM faster so you don’t have to focus anywhere near as long. You still have to keep your mind together, however.
@008: I actually go right back to sleep since if I stay up too long, I have trouble falling asleep again. At least take the time to write in your DJ. If you find it isn’t working for you (you just fall asleep without even having a chance at WILD), keep increasing the time in 5 minute increments.
Though WILD yet never worked for me (but was close, I think), I’d guess WBTB would help if the timing is good.
In my opinion, doing WILD when going to bed (at usual time) is a bad idea for two reasons:
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You need a REM phase to dream. You dont get a REM phase naturally if you begin to sleep at usual times. But after some hours of sleep the chance for getting quickly to REM is pretty high.
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Even if you’d be able to enforce REM-Sleep by some technique, I’d doubt it was healthy doing this frequently, as “correct” sleep strongly correlates to general health.
Doing WILD when going to bed sounds to me like trying to jump into a train when there aren’t even rails. The basics about sleep cycle can be found on wikipedia.
ok i did wbtb, woke up at five, did two and a half pages of automatic writing, a great deal of it was about becoming lucid, i did this for a half hour. then i went back to bed, and i couldnt WILD, my mind had gotten too active i think. SO, i should maybe write for only 10 min next time, or try what you do Rhewin and go right into the WILD? keeping my mind together is what i meant by focus actually, i know it sounds alittle off.
@DaConceit: i get it although doing this without wbtb is still progress i find, just getting to the point of SP prepares me much better for wbtb, no? theres a whole increment i am adjusted too before hand.
yep, the thing about WBTB is finding the right time for you. Just keep adjusting it until you find something that works best. If you are too awake, stay up a little less during WBTB, if you fall asleep too fast, stay up a little longer.
I have succeeded only 3 times in a WILD without WBTB, all I can say is:
1- It’s very nice to achieve, but;
2- You need much much much patience, it takes more than 2 hours to get into most vivid dream stage…
3- You can use a timer with low volume to remind you to keep focus.
It’s very hard, but worth trying!
The sensations felt during you are sleeping are impressive, some very good while others, I admit, some are not.