Questions and answers - part II

[tombo]

O.k. I’ll going to bring this thread back to its original purpose (Sorry it’s long!)

Cause I have a bunch of questions…

I’m new here and I started to make up a LD-Programm for myself. My goal is to find a reliable technique to induce LD’s . I heard about Pedro’s VILD-technique and find it very fascinating. My plan is to do VILD every evening and MILD when ever I go back to sleep at night. But I’m a little unsure how to exactly do it:

0. Is this a good plan?

1. Could you please describe as exactly as possible how you do VILD especially what dream setting you guys incubate, please!.. Because I think it is crucial for the technique. Is it important to have people in there or could I use a plain room with a door and a sign that reads “Do a RC, Now!” or something

2. Is it crucial to repete the dream setting until I actually fall asleep, or may it be sufficient to repete it until the intent to dream about it is set and then just drift off to sleep?

3. How important is it to really want to LD, is it good to want it like crazy or might that hinder progress?

4. Do you guys actually use VILD or MILD

5. When doing MILD, do you use the Laberge-technique (imagine becoming lucid in a previous dream) or the technique from this site?

6. when doing MILD what do you use as a mantra?

I guess one can summarize all questions into: “could you please take your precious time and exactly describe your technique, cause otherwise this overeager rookie will continue to annoy you guys…”

Now, I have some ideas of things you guys could try in your LD’s if you feel like it: I’m very interested in the outcome.

-Experience something within a LD that you never did in reality but that you could do. For example eat a tropic fruit you never eat before. Do it in the LD then do it in real Life and compare. Was the taste accurate?

-Learn something within a LD for example a Instrument you don’t really play, pratice in the LD’s till you can do it like a master, then pick up the instrument in real Life. Can you play it now?

-Write a letter (within in LD) in a language you do not know (Russian or something) memorize it, write it down when you awake and compare it to real Russian. Result?

-Wish to see things in your dream, you do not know (but things, you can afterwards check)
For example: in your next dream wish to find out about the names of my biggest cat (I’ll tell you afterwards if your correct)
(I know things like that can work, had some succes myself. and I really wonder how a lucidity master would do)

Then I also would propose that you guys start converting some of your LD into OBE’s and start comparing the two states (I know Xetrov believs they are the same but I do not want to argue about that…Fact is: all OBE-masters (which I know) that have like 20 years of experience or so, seem to be sure they are different states.

A good way to induce OBE from LD is (I think) to wait until the LD fades naturally, then keep your consciousness and enter Non-Rem-sleep, once there you should feel your body laying in bed, now you should be able to carefully will yourself out of body (just imagine floating up). then you should find yourself in your bedroom.

-Does this technique work?

Well, ok , I’m gone stop now…

But, I’ll be back…

[tombo]

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[XkyZero]

@tombo

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That was very meaningful and we learnt a lot of things about it, thanks for sharing your point of view with the community

[tombo]

If you read the last post of page 3 you might understand the ???

[Xetrov]

Your questions were interesting Tombo, but the Guru’s dont seem too eager to answer anymore, so I guess that’s just bad luck for you…

[R3TRO]

@tombo

O.k. I’ll going to bring this thread back to its original purpose (Sorry it’s long!)

Cause I have a bunch of questions…

I’m new here and I started to make up a LD-Programm for myself. My goal is to find a reliable technique to induce LD’s . I heard about Pedro’s VILD-technique and find it very fascinating. My plan is to do VILD every evening and MILD when ever I go back to sleep at night. But I’m a little unsure how to exactly do it:

0. Is this a good plan?

1. Could you please describe as exactly as possible how you do VILD especially what dream setting you guys incubate, please!.. Because I think it is crucial for the technique. Is it important to have people in there or could I use a plain room with a door and a sign that reads “Do a RC, Now!” or something

2. Is it crucial to repete the dream setting until I actually fall asleep, or may it be sufficient to repete it until the intent to dream about it is set and then just drift off to sleep?

3. How important is it to really want to LD, is it good to want it like crazy or might that hinder progress?

4. Do you guys actually use VILD or MILD

5. When doing MILD, do you use the Laberge-technique (imagine becoming lucid in a previous dream) or the technique from this site?

6. when doing MILD what do you use as a mantra?

I guess one can summarize all questions into: “could you please take your precious time and exactly describe your technique, cause otherwise this overeager rookie will continue to annoy you guys…”

Now, I have some ideas of things you guys could try in your LD’s if you feel like it: I’m very interested in the outcome.

-Experience something within a LD that you never did in reality but that you could do. For example eat a tropic fruit you never eat before. Do it in the LD then do it in real Life and compare. Was the taste accurate?

-Learn something within a LD for example a Instrument you don’t really play, pratice in the LD’s till you can do it like a master, then pick up the instrument in real Life. Can you play it now?

-Write a letter (within in LD) in a language you do not know (Russian or something) memorize it, write it down when you awake and compare it to real Russian. Result?

-Wish to see things in your dream, you do not know (but things, you can afterwards check)
For example: in your next dream wish to find out about the names of my biggest cat (I’ll tell you afterwards if your correct)
(I know things like that can work, had some succes myself. and I really wonder how a lucidity master would do)

Then I also would propose that you guys start converting some of your LD into OBE’s and start comparing the two states (I know Xetrov believs they are the same but I do not want to argue about that…Fact is: all OBE-masters (which I know) that have like 20 years of experience or so, seem to be sure they are different states.

A good way to induce OBE from LD is (I think) to wait until the LD fades naturally, then keep your consciousness and enter Non-Rem-sleep, once there you should feel your body laying in bed, now you should be able to carefully will yourself out of body (just imagine floating up). then you should find yourself in your bedroom.

-Does this technique work?

Well, ok , I’m gone stop now…

But, I’ll be back…

OK first, Techniques may work great for some people, but not at all for other, tech’s are just personal preferences, but yes that does sound liek a good plan.

Second, My VILD tech is very simple, I imagine myself at my house, in my bed looking at my wall, when Freecube comes in and tells me to do and RC, I only go over it about once in my head and I’m asleep (i fall asleep very fast). But yes i think, its a good i dea to keep going over it untill you are actually dreaming, untill you get good at it liek pedro, and every dream is started in that room.

Wanting to LD is good, but not like to an extent, its good if you think about it all day, which will remind you to RC, but i find it easier, when i dont try.

I use a little bit of everthing, but i usually just use MILD now, just to remind me, I am at the stage now where everydream i have starts out lucid, and at the house.

For MILD i just say i will become lucid, over and over, sometimes it helps if you imagin yourself typing those words into your head.

Sorry for taking so long… I just now noticed this topic being active again, and i had forgotten about your PM

[dd_dd]

Maybe in extended dreams it really can last for weeks or months but when you wake up you can’t remember all of it so it seems like it didn’t really last that long b/c what i’ve heard from freecube and others posts is really convincing that they live out long periods of time.

If I could do that I would make my dreams last a lifetime so i live a new life every night.

[tombo]

OK first, Techniques may work great for some people, but not at all for other, tech’s are just personal preferences, but yes that does sound liek a good plan.

Second, My VILD tech is very simple, I imagine myself at my house, in my bed looking at my wall, when Freecube comes in and tells me to do and RC, I only go over it about once in my head and I’m asleep (i fall asleep very fast). But yes i think, its a good i dea to keep going over it untill you are actually dreaming, untill you get good at it liek pedro, and every dream is started in that room.

Wanting to LD is good, but not like to an extent, its good if you think about it all day, which will remind you to RC, but i find it easier, when i dont try.

I use a little bit of everthing, but i usually just use MILD now, just to remind me, I am at the stage now where everydream i have starts out lucid, and at the house.

For MILD i just say i will become lucid, over and over, sometimes it helps if you imagin yourself typing those words into your head.

Sorry for taking so long… I just now noticed this topic being active again, and i had forgotten about your PM

That helps. I understand now some things but others still confuse me…

1. You say that you use VILD sometimes but ALL your dreams start at the house. Now thats kind of strange… Was this the case ever since you started doing VILD or has that developed over time?

2. When doing MILD do you imagine becoming lucid, remembering like it felt or something, or do you just repete the words without much “feeling”

3. How long did it take for you to get VILD working?

4. What was the most important breakthrough for you while practicing Lucid dreaming?

Thanks for the help! Tom

BTW: what you think about my experiments?

[R3TRO]

@tombo

OK first, Techniques may work great for some people, but not at all for other, tech’s are just personal preferences, but yes that does sound liek a good plan.

Second, My VILD tech is very simple, I imagine myself at my house, in my bed looking at my wall, when Freecube comes in and tells me to do and RC, I only go over it about once in my head and I’m asleep (i fall asleep very fast). But yes i think, its a good i dea to keep going over it untill you are actually dreaming, untill you get good at it liek pedro, and every dream is started in that room.

Wanting to LD is good, but not like to an extent, its good if you think about it all day, which will remind you to RC, but i find it easier, when i dont try.

I use a little bit of everthing, but i usually just use MILD now, just to remind me, I am at the stage now where everydream i have starts out lucid, and at the house.

For MILD i just say i will become lucid, over and over, sometimes it helps if you imagin yourself typing those words into your head.

Sorry for taking so long… I just now noticed this topic being active again, and i had forgotten about your PM

That helps. I understand now some things but others still confuse me…

1. You say that you use VILD sometimes but ALL your dreams start at the house. Now thats kind of strange… Was this the case ever since you started doing VILD or has that developed over time?

2. When doing MILD do you imagine becoming lucid, remembering like it felt or something, or do you just repete the words without much “feeling”

3. How long did it take for you to get VILD working?

4. What was the most important breakthrough for you while practicing Lucid dreaming?

Thanks for the help! Tom

BTW: what you think about my experiments?

Ok this may get a little confusing, but i’ll try to keep it simple.

1st I use induction techniques now rarely because, When i finally figured out what tech worked for me, i decided i would try and see if i could kinda like “save my lucidity”, Like a video game. EX. You are playing a game you have to go and eat dinner, you find a save point save and turn off the game, go eat come back turn the game back on, and you start where you saved. I decided that our subc rememebers everything we do, why couldnt it rememeber lucidity. So i decided to try saving it next time i went lucid, And it worked.
So I made every dream after that start out at the house…

Long explaination, but hopefully it helped.

Ok 2nd I found when i used to mild i would try to hard and not be able to fall alseep, so i kinda just let it float through my head, but rememeber all techs are preference, there is no right or wrong.

3rd I’d say it took me about a month, freecube, i think it took him about a week, and other people on the forum ive heard them say it worked first time.

4th My most important breakthrough…

I dont really know, i guess hacking my brain has helped me change things, such as reaction time and stuff. But i’d say just making it so that i can LD every night, and extending legth would have to be the most important ones.

Sorry I havent seen your experiments yet, i’ll look at them after this post.

hopefully this helps, you’ll probably have questions on hacking, and i’ll try my best to answer them

[tombo]

Ok this may get a little confusing, but i’ll try to keep it simple.

1st I use induction techniques now rarely because, When i finally figured out what tech worked for me, i decided i would try and see if i could kinda like “save my lucidity”, Like a video game. EX. You are playing a game you have to go and eat dinner, you find a save point save and turn off the game, go eat come back turn the game back on, and you start where you saved. I decided that our subc rememebers everything we do, why couldnt it rememeber lucidity. So i decided to try saving it next time i went lucid, And it worked.
So I made every dream after that start out at the house…

Long explaination, but hopefully it helped.

Ok 2nd I found when i used to mild i would try to hard and not be able to fall alseep, so i kinda just let it float through my head, but rememeber all techs are preference, there is no right or wrong.

3rd I’d say it took me about a month, freecube, i think it took him about a week, and other people on the forum ive heard them say it worked first time.

4th My most important breakthrough…

I dont really know, i guess hacking my brain has helped me change things, such as reaction time and stuff. But i’d say just making it so that i can LD every night, and extending legth would have to be the most important ones.

Sorry I havent seen your experiments yet, i’ll look at them after this post.

hopefully this helps, you’ll probably have questions on hacking, and i’ll try my best to answer them

Yeah this helps
I got some questions about hacking indeed

1. You say that you could save the lucidity, that sounds like THE breakthrough, if you ask me…
   Now, if I understand you right you actually do not need induction techniques anymore, right? From what you say, I conclude that I should learn how to hack my brain and then do it in my next LD and that would be all that is needed to make me a good Lucid dreamer?

I thought about that before but I’m not really sure how to do it.

2. Do I just tell myself next time a have a LD ,“from now on all my dreams will start out lucid!”?
   It can’t be that simple, can it?!

3. What are the important points when hacking my brain?

4)How much control do I have to have while LD to succesfully hack my brain?

5. Do all your Dreams start out lucid or do you still have Nonlucid dreams? If not, did you notice any side effects caused by the lack of regukar dreams (may they be positive or negative)

Hope my english is understandable (I’m Swiss…)

Tom

[R3TRO]

@tombo

Yeah this helps
I got some questions about hacking indeed

1. You say that you could save the lucidity, that sounds like THE breakthrough, if you ask me…
   Now, if I understand you right you actually do not need induction techniques anymore, right? From what you say, I conclude that I should learn how to hack my brain and then do it in my next LD and that would be all that is needed to make me a good Lucid dreamer?

I thought about that before but I’m not really sure how to do it.

2. Do I just tell myself next time a have a LD ,“from now on all my dreams will start out lucid!”?
   It can’t be that simple, can it?!

3. What are the important points when hacking my brain?

4)How much control do I have to have while LD to succesfully hack my brain?

5. Do all your Dreams start out lucid or do you still have Nonlucid dreams? If not, did you notice any side effects caused by the lack of regukar dreams (may they be positive or negative)

Hope my english is understandable (I’m Swiss…)

Tom

Well thats what made me good at Lding, other than that though I dont really know

Actually it is that simple really, Let me start out with the how to hack yourself part, First all you need to do is be lucid, and you say when i turn around i will see my brain, when you turn around you should see a giant brain with a door on it, walk inside and you should see a computer.
Sit down at the computer, this is your information, everthing you know is in here, search for lucid dreaming files or something, and see what its set at, (mine was 3 LDs a week), I guess our brains are set certain ways i dont know, Any way click the new entry button, and type in, “i will be lucid every dream” Enter. THis should make you lucid everynight, it did for me, and freecube, but I dont think anyone else has tryed it.

Now for the important things, it is crucial that you set a time limit on everything you do, such as lets say you upped your reaction time by hacking yourself, but you accedentally pressed a wrong button and now you think your a dog (i dont know just an explaination), You will never be able to fix that, so what i do is make it work for about a day or two, if you notice any problems it will go back to normal after time limit is over, if there arent any, you can make it permenant. All you have to do for this is type “i will be lucid every dream for 2 days” And that should work.

You want to make sure you have alot of control when you hack your brain, it will help, also when you go into your brain lock the door behind you, you dont want some dream character wandering in and doing things to you.

Yes all of them are lucid, but sometimes i will tell myself once i enter the dream, that the rest of the dream will be normal dream, just for a change sometimes.

And no i havent noticed any sideffects other than happiness, i dont know if you’ve had an LD yet, but you wake up extremely happy after one, or at least i do, so this has made me feel happy, and gotten rid of alot of stress.

hope that helps

[tombo]

Well thats what made me good at Lding, other than that though I dont really know

Actually it is that simple really, Let me start out with the how to hack yourself part, First all you need to do is be lucid, and you say when i turn around i will see my brain, when you turn around you should see a giant brain with a door on it, walk inside and you should see a computer.
Sit down at the computer, this is your information, everthing you know is in here, search for lucid dreaming files or something, and see what its set at, (mine was 3 LDs a week), I guess our brains are set certain ways i dont know, Any way click the new entry button, and type in, “i will be lucid every dream” Enter. THis should make you lucid everynight, it did for me, and freecube, but I dont think anyone else has tryed it.

Now for the important things, it is crucial that you set a time limit on everything you do, such as lets say you upped your reaction time by hacking yourself, but you accedentally pressed a wrong button and now you think your a dog (i dont know just an explaination), You will never be able to fix that, so what i do is make it work for about a day or two, if you notice any problems it will go back to normal after time limit is over, if there arent any, you can make it permenant. All you have to do for this is type “i will be lucid every dream for 2 days” And that should work.

You want to make sure you have alot of control when you hack your brain, it will help, also when you go into your brain lock the door behind you, you dont want some dream character wandering in and doing things to you.

Yes all of them are lucid, but sometimes i will tell myself once i enter the dream, that the rest of the dream will be normal dream, just for a change sometimes.

And no i havent noticed any sideffects other than happiness, i dont know if you’ve had an LD yet, but you wake up extremely happy after one, or at least i do, so this has made me feel happy, and gotten rid of alot of stress.

hope that helps

Thats pretty awesome! Well I had some LD but not really a lot of them. I will try as you describe it. And then we see how it works out. I hope my next clear and long LD is on the way soon…

Do you think the Giantbrain thing is crucial? 'Cause I figured I just turn around next time I’m lucid and expect a computer representing my suC there and then I type it in. On the other side it might be more powerful to step inside the brain Besides that I can close the door then… Although I think closing the door should not be so important, after all DC are created be myself so they should not mess around, But maybe it is better to make sure.

What puzzles me is the fact that Nobdy else did the brain hacking thing…

Well I guess thats it for now, I’ll just try as you said and report back once I did it (hopefully )
Thanks for your time!

BTW: let me know once you tried one of my experiements.

[R3TRO]

Sure no problem.

And i have no idea about the not seeing the giant brain, ive never done it that way b4, but who knows