I have now read on this forum for a while and discovered that there are some people here that are quite good at Astral Projection and OOBE. So I beg you to PLEASE if you have prooved that it was real and that you were accualy out of your body do RANDI’S TEST. He will give 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove anything paranormal!
This is the reason why I cant believe that OOBE and AP are real… Because WHY has not anyone prooved it? I have heard of many that hade done the “card test” to see if they were really out of their body and they say they were.
SO WHY DONT YOU SHOW THE WORLD THE EVIDENCE??? IT WOULD BE A REVOLUTION FOR SCIENCE!
I’ve seen the question before… I’m probably not the best person to answer, as I haven’t done that much searching when it comes to this, but from what I have heard, Randi really isn’t such a nice guy. I’ve heard accusations against him that he doesn’t even give all people a chance, only some, and I’ve also heard accusations that he likes to hang on to his money, that the tests are done in a weird “environment” and only according to his conditions…
And, another thing is also that there are many ways to do one thing. Even if someone does move something with their mind, it can just as easily be moved with their hand or some well-places strings lol. Cards can be set-up or memorized or whatever. It would be very hard to prove, if someone did succeed, that they actually succeeded at something “supernatural” with no cheating.
Personally, I don’t know what to believe, I’m just giving you a summary of reasons I’ve heard to why no one has gotten Randi’s 1 million yet.
Randi refuses to believe that people who can do psionic stuff exist. I refuse to believe this alleged Randi exists.
Seriously, I too have read reports where this man flat out refuses to see things people want to show him. If he were so concerned about Truth, why won’t he look for it? This man (if he is indeed real) just flashes his money around to get publicity, and claims that since his money is not gone, no one can perform it. He’s not trying to find the truth. If anything, he’s trying to hide it.
Whether or not he’s reluctant to actually do the tests, alot of “psions” are reluctant to prove too. Webcam feeds, videos, and images don’t mean anything.
An internet friend of mine proved it, she visited me and told me exactly what I was doing, the layout of my room and many other things.
Not that she needed to prove it to me.
As far as $1million dollars goes. Keep it, I don’t want it. I’m not a animal to train and pay off when it does a good job.
But clearly this randi thing is a load of BS anyway. It started April 1st. That said if I did it, even if it was an april fools joke he’d have to pay up. That page constitutes a legal document
How can you prove something to someone who doesn’t exist?
More to the point, don’t you think people already tried to prove themselves to him? What’s the use of trying to prove something to someone who won’t believe it anyway? That Randi won’t give money to anyone anyway, so what’s the use of trying?
It’s like someone playing a cruel prank. If a lot of people have fallen for it and they tell everyone else about the prank, no one will fall for it anymore.
Oh, I see. This is an “attack Randi because he’s not here to fight back” thread. Kind of makes you feel good, doesn’t it?
Look, I agree that his criteria for accepting participants is a little unusual and strict, but I don’t think it’s all a giant scam. If a person genuinely could move objects with their mind, even when that object is behind glass, then it shouldn’t matter how strict Randi’s test environment is. The man obviously doesn’t want to part with a million bucks without being positive that the demonstration was legitimate, so he makes damn sure that his test cannot be taken advantage of. Some people are very crafty. After all, he’s a stage magician himself, so he knows that people can put on a pretty convincing act if you let them apply their own rules.
The need for each applicant to have already gained validation from an academic professor is probably just to filter out the hundreds of self-described mystics who think there’s nothing to lose by putting their powers to the test, and would ultimately just be wasting the institution’s time and money. And really, why should this be a problem? If you have the powers, then you’ll have no trouble generating media attention (even as an illusionist) or finding a scientist who’ll happily refer you to Randi’s challenge. These prerequisites would only be considered a hassle if you didn’t really have what it takes to be awarded the prize in the first place.
I agree that a lot of people who possess supernatural abilities might not want to draw attention to themselves. Winning the million dollars would only convince thousands of people to seek you out and ask you to tell their future, or find their lost dog, or grant them better fortune. But there are bound to be some people out there who’d love that kind of attention. Who wouldn’t even want the money, but would pass Randi’s test solely to open the world’s eyes and convince every skeptic out there that this reality is more magical than they thought. Where are those people?
Besides, Randi isn’t the only person trying desperately to find a reason to believe in supernatural powers. There are plenty of other organizations that would happily put you to the test if it meant proving for the first time ever (in an academic setting) that magic is real. But it just hasn’t happened. Even amateur video is always dubious, and these days everything is caught on camera sooner or later.
I like to believe that there’s a lot more to life than we’ve seen, and I’m starting to accept a lot of new possibilities as time goes on, so I’m not going to state that nobody is capable of taking Randi’s money. I just don’t think it’s fair to attack his appropriately strict testing environment when he’s only trying to make sure that his results are accurate. Wouldn’t you want to be absolutely positive before handing over a million dollars?
Re: Atheist: Yes, I’ll admit I was just bashing him mostly based off of others’ information and because I was angry. Yes, I’ll admit it is an extreme logical fallacy. Yes, I’ll admit it’s wrong.
Personally, I’d prove myself if I could (1) physically get there (I can’t travel all the way over there myself, and I’m not about to drag my parents over there!!); (2) be far more confident in myself; and (3) do it under any conditions. As it stands, I meet none of the three criteria, so I’ll have some work to do before that…
Sorry about using Randi as a way to vent… but… meh. I needed to vent somehow, and it accidentally came out here.
OKey… So maybe Randi isnt a very good idea in many ways and so on, but why dont show your abbilities to some other random man of science, I mean to proove that you are for example out of your body is very easy, just lock the testperson in a room and put something outside the locked room. If the person then knows what it is, isnt it then obvious? How could you cheat?
the 1 million isnt very important, but it is very important to show the world what we really can do! (If it is true:p)
Just get in contact with a university and proove it to them.
If I could AP or OOBE I would ABSOLUTLY contact someone to proove it.
Actually, I was reading through the book How to Think about Weird Things by Theodore Schick and Lewis Vaughn. There was a chapter in there where a small portion dealt with TK. Apparently, it has already been tested in various places, the problem being that the tests are sometimes very difficult to reproduce, and therefore have low reliability.
you can only experience it, you cannot prove it. The only evidence is peoples’ words on having OOBEs, and if that’s not good enough for you then unless you have one yourself, just…
but if you did have one then you’d spend the rest of your life trying to convince everyone else.
Why can’t you prove it? It seems pretty simple to me. A room would be set up with a variety of objects, symbols, numbers, patterns, playing cards, words, and anything else that the tester can think of. The subject would be instructed to view the contents of this room during an out of body experience and report what they see. If the subject’s description of the room is accurate enough despite them never consciously seeing how the room was initially set up, then we have some evidence to support remote viewing. Repeat the test a few times under supervision, and you can walk away with a million bucks care of Mr. James Randi.
I’ve heard similar things too about Randi and how he won’t let many people have a chance to prove their powers. As for unfair testing conditions, you can check out on youtube james randi and james hyndrick, it shows what i would say are fair conditions for james hyndrick to prove his powers, but in the end he couldn’t.
Well I bet it is a personal experience werther you proove it or not… And it is important to SCIENCE, and understandig the world we live in, it would mean very much. Who cares about 1 million dollars when we can change the way people understand the world!
Offcourse you can proove it. The card test is very easy and I know some people that say that they havedone it and that it was correct.
I have AP twice and after the second one I attached a unknown card on my roof, so that if it would happen again, that would be the first place to look. So I hope I will proove it myself in a while…
In response to one comment, you can never prove this, but you can make the results of the test such that the chance that the result was acheived by a fluke is so infinitissemally small that it seems foolish to accept any other alternative.
Anyone who understands hypothesis testing in statistics should understand this especially well.
