But then they’d probably cook up some stupid story that you saw in there beforehand. I think. Maybe this has been set up to try to prove AP isn’t possible…?
Why would someone do this? Most scientists will gladly change their minds if proven wrong. It’s the point of experiments. The reason Randi is doing this is simply knowledge. From the few scientists I’ve met at various lectures and science fairs, the one thing a scientist hates is someone presenting something completely gorundless as absolute truth. They are simply trying to show people the truth, not trying to cover it up.
Amen to that.
At least proove any of these psuedo-scientific things for me. Really, I’d love to get my view of this world smashed! Prooving OOBE, TK, AP or whatever to me would be nice.
Who is up for that challenge?
well anyway for people who believe in such things: its betrayal on the cause off all psions ,espers ufo believers etc…
not to try to prove it especially with such an offer of money an publicity !
(sorry for being so pathetic)
As someone who has had OBEs, APs etc in the past, I do find this offer quite insulting. I view it on par with things like “I will give you 1million dollars to prove your divinity exists.”
It’s in appropriate, but if he had that kind of money to play with, why not do something worthwhile with it like donate to a cancer fund or other charity?
The best way to prove something is and always will be to prove it for yourself. Everyone is capable of doing it with time and practice, just like LDing.
Even if I completed every single test he would likely brush it all off as coincidence or luck. Then do some mathematical equation to prove that it’s was all luck and within a narrow window of random probability.
For those that believe no proof is necessary, for those who don’t no proof is possible.
I mean come on, a lot of you claim that you can do this and that! How hard will it be to show something for me, a doubter, and convince me that these things are real.
Well here’s one thing - we can’t show you anything as we’re on an INTERNET FORUM and you’d pass it off as cheating even if we bothered posting a video.
Why should we waste our time trying to make you believe it is possible? We shouldn’t. If you don’t WANT to believe, which is the case, then GET OVER IT and STOP pestering us to prove it. If you don’t want to believe, even if the evidence was dancing in front of you, you’d ignore it. Dismiss it. So basically you’re MOCKING US because we CAN’T PROVE IT. No one can.
If we did then it would just be dismissed as a trick or something stupid. Or perhaps make some mathematical equation up to prove it was all luck.
I think proving once and for all that AP and OBEs are real is quite a worthwhile cause. It would completely revolutionize what we know about the brain and consciousness. It’s just that with many people claiming to have experienced OoBEs not agreeing to take these tests, he added a little incentive. 1 million dollars seems like a worthy prize for revolutionizing science.
$1million dollars seems like one heck of a tax issue to me.
The problem with AP and OBE is that all my OBE’s have been unintended and with zero control and in many cases, at the time at least, frightening. But with no control, they would be useless to proving anything.
My few APs, although I had control were also accidental and spread over a 5yr period. IF I could do it at will though, on command, I honestly don’t think I would do it.
$1million dollars is great, if you are married. But I am once again single, a single guy with a 6digit bank account would get a lot of attention in my small area. I don’t want that, I don’t want fame even if it only lasted a week or two. It’s not the lifestyle I want, I am a private person who wants to be left alone. Doing this would ruin that, this is what people forget. It’s never just the money.
From a science perspective on the other hand, yes that would be a good thing is many ways, but look how long it took LDing to be scientifically proven. One person getting that 1million might not change anything.
I would pass.
Even if I had the ability to heal I would not do it. Imagine the media attention on healing, you’d never have a life again anyone with the smallest issue would be looking for you.
No I am not mocking you.
If there was evidence of it I would belive in it. I would by all means love to belive in it, but I find it impossible without any proof.
As for videos, I can accept those as solid proof if I cant draw a simple logical explanation from it.
You miss the point. We just can’t believe without proof. If most evidence so far says that it cannot happen, we believe it can’t.
I want to believe in AP/OOBEs, but I cannot. I experienced an OoBE once, but details seen in it did not match real life. Thus, I am skeptic.
I have no desire to mock you, Li10. It’s just that proof would go a long way in these sort of things. Experience and evidence tells me that it does not exist. Give me greater evidence, and i will reconsider.
The tough part for an experiment to prove this would to have it be blind, meaning the scientist could not be able to alter the results in a way to “prove” one outcome.
I ask if you know what math truly is, not to insult your intelligence, but because a lot of people (including myself) don’t (or didn’t, until I was told) truly understand what math is.
Math is entirely arbitrary. Math is basically a system of rules and axioms that sometimes happen to coincide with reality and sometimes do not. You can easily notice that some of these axioms won’t apply to the real world, such as two parallel lines never intersecting (which can be defunct in the real world by comparing longitude, which are parallel lines, yet intersect).
Especially when you get to higher level mathematics (beyond Calculus and such) do you start to notice how math deviates from reality.
Thus, math is arbitrary, and to apply something arbitrary in a real life situation where it might not be a suitable situation to apply it in would be slightly ludicrous.
Now, if you said “science > personal experience”, I would still have room to disagree. Haven’t scientific “findings” been proven false? Take almost anything that Aristotle said. There were many findings to the contrary. Take the classic example of a geocentric universe. That hypothesis was long ago not supported. There are so many examples that we don’t even know about because our Science textbooks won’t teach us those past failures and whatnot. Isn’t it entirely possible that a lot of what we “know” now is false? I mean, we might be getting a lot closer to the truth, but who’s to say that F=MA is absolutely correct all the time?
Of course, personal experience is prone to be faulty, but it can be good enough at times if many people are having the same experience.
And I leave you with a final question: what is your religion?