The BIG sleep paralysis and old hag topic Part V

Have anyone here succeeded in making SP less horrorfull?
I have problems with SP and seeing and hearing voices, horrific images and voices (like the girl in the ring who crawls up from the well) and accompaning voices telling me Im gonna die.
I truly hate those! I only have one way of getting out of them and that´s when I eventually getting able to move my hand and arm to wake up my husband.
You may think I should get used to it but Im not, it would be more ok if I wasnt seeing horrific things.

The strange thing is that as I cannot manage what I see when having a SP, I can somewhat manage what happens in my dreams. Shouldnt these be connected? Am I thinking/doing something wrong?
Now Im off to bed hopefully not getting an SP, :content: just nice dreams :content:

Hello, I want to ask you something.
Sometimes, maybe once in a week, while dreaming, I become in some kind “lucid”, other words, I find out that I’m in dream(in bed) and then, I can’t move, or anything.
And, most painful exp. , while that, I hear some powerful sound in my ears, unbearable, I think that I’ll never hear anything again, and, it’s pretty disturbing too(can’t move, heavy sound).
It’s happening me couple of years, while that, I’ve learned how to stop this, but sometimes doesn’t work. Really weird…
I’ve asked all my friend does that happen anytime to them, answer is no…
In this past years, I became more religius than before, some sad me, that devil is in me…Nothing else to say, does in happening to you ?

I’m not sure but I think it’s SP… nothing to worry about. I never had one but many people have hallucinations… both visual and audio. :razz: If it happens again, try to move your toes a little bit, I heard it works great but I ain’t a specialist.

Trolls. What you could have off done is ask a doctor, not your religious grandma or whoever. My grandma had this and she tought her neighboor cast a curse on her or something because she saw her sitting on her lungs (hallucination).

Now, what you need to do is have an open mind while you’re reading this, and think about is the theory about devil better to listen than theory of all scientists and doctors.

What you got is called sleep paralysis. You enter this EVERY night so you couldn’t move IRL while you’re dreaming. The thing is that you don’t notice it because you’re either already dreaming or you’re uncouncious in deep sleep. The sounds and visual hallucinations is nothing but your mind confused (your mind doesn’t know why the body cannot move, thus it subcounciously creates a story about devil, or in my grandma’s case, a story about a witch neighboor) mixed with a near-dream state called hypnagogia (Google it!).

You can exit councious sleep paralysis by trying to move your finger, or focusing to your breathing and breathing heavily. There is a number of other ways to exit, but one of these two will most likely work. … highlight=

Now, why do you even want to exit it if you can have a lucid dream or an OBE out of it? Just try not opening your eyes the next time you wake up from a dream and try getting in the dream back (imagine your being sucked back to it). If that doesn’t work, try imagine rolling out of bed. The important thing is to stay lucid and know that everything you see is not reality and can’t hurt you in any way. Once you realize this, hallucinations and sounds from hypnagogia will become pleasent, you will enjoy them.

I have councious SP every other night (but I have the dream-entering one, you have dream-exit councious SP) and I recall being frighten of it only the first time. And trust me, hypnagogia can be a wonderful thing. Like a few days ago I had a hallucination that I was flying and I hear the most beautiful music in the world, you can’t describe it with words. The best thing is the whole time I knew its nothing but a hallucination. It was a really, really nice experience.

SP combined with bad hallucinations is called “old hag” (Again, google it!)

Good luck with your SP, improving hypnagogia, and finally, good luck with having LD’s.

Stay lucid and Alive! :tongue:

I expereinced SP first time couple years ago, and it wasn’t a little fun …
Last time was 2 nights ago…

took another nap today, and had another wet dream, not lucid though

sometimes when i fall asleep i feel like someone is pushing me. is this part of SP?

I’m certain i never experienced Old Hag.
I’m fairly certain i never experienced SP either. Or rather, that i never remembered it.

I want to.
As i read previous posts, the general consensus is that WILD is the path to it?
I’ve done quite a bit of WILDing. Recently for a week , i’ve actually trained myself enough to go deep enough to lose conscious thought but not slip into a normal dream or sleep, instead “waking” back within a few minutes. After several hours of this (i’d say ~7) i haven’t experienced body paralysis. It did feel distant, remote, it’s information flow very hampered, but i could move at any time. As a sidenote, if it’s relevant, i also didn’t succeed in producing a LD with WILD during this time. Normally when trying WILD, i simply fall deep enough to sleep or ND, without SP.
edit: Forgot another mention, dunno if it’s relevant either, but… During this week i also experienced an unusually high number of hypnogogic jerks, which are quite rare for me otherwise.

another edit^^:
I stumbled across stopdrop&roll thread (thanks Scipio Xaos!) and decided to give that a shot. WILD with resisting the body query “hello mind are you asleep” of roll over.

Any other suggestions as to how to try achieve it?
If i understood the term right, i’ll actually have trouble seeing Old Hag if i’m not afraid of the SP when it happens?

  1. Get lucid

  2. Get weapons

  3. Summon old hag

  4. Shoot that bitch

  5. ???

  6. Profit!

^^^ That was really insightful comment, thanks. rolls eyes

Anyways, I experience SP from time to time, and first I was scared, a lot. I didn’t know about SP back then and I had no clue what’s happening. I felt how I was falling asleep, but for some reason I thought that if I fall asleep something bad will happen. So I always tried to fight it and eventually woke up completely. I knew about LD’s and I was having them back then though. So, one night I decided that I will try to fall asleep once I experience this “feeling” (still not aware of the fact that it’s SP), so sure enough, as soon as I got SP again, I tried to calm down, I was nervous and the scary feeling was still there, but like I said, I tried to calm down and slowly drifted to sleep. Turned out to be nice, vivid LD.

I’ve grown to like the feeling of SP, even though I don’t have it too much. It always surprises me, hell sometimes even scares me a bit, but once I realise what’s going on, I calm down, and fall asleep. Needless to say, SP is always surprising for me, I never really expect it to happen, that’s where the shock comes from.

It’s different, it’s not what your body feels like most the time, that’s why you may find it scary, that’s why I found it scary and the stories of “old hag” certainly don’t help.

It seems (whenever I discuss this on forums) that people are far too stubborn about their fears. I’ve had some scary experiences with SP and after those nights I didn’t want to sleep either. What we must remember is that these fears are irrational by definition because they can do us no harm, we are essentially scared of being scared. I’ve found a familiarity with SP very helpful in making it a more normal, comfortable experience which has taken me to a couple of LDs, they weren’t even WILDs because I woke in SP, so never technically woke.

When I enter sleep paralysis, my trouble isn’t with being too terribly frightened, but I involuntarily start to twitch. I jerk around in my sleep alot. Is it normal that those two things would go together?

Joethfc, it’s not that people are afraid, it’s that the experience actually stuns them as it is something that goes against our rational “flight or fight” mechanism.

Magy, twitching is normal, and I have to deal with that, too. But I heard if you twitch in the state of laying on your back, it is mostly caused by the fact your legs are so straight. If you really want to induce sleep paralysis then you should lay in a position that is more comfortable to you and try and hold that position instead of the “simple” laying straight down like a board one.

What does it mean when you constantly have sleep paralysis? For almost two years now, sleep paralysis has been common for me, it usually happens at least twice a month but sometimes more. What does it mean? Is there anything I can do to stop it? I am very claustrophobic and can’t stand being restricted. So needless to say, it is very scary. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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We don’t know much about SP. Some people believe it’s a kind of dream state, others claim that it’s the work of demons, who want us to astral project to steal our soul (i’m simply shaking in my boots -_-) I believe it’s our mind caught in REM sleep and, if lucidity has been achieved, overstimulating our body thinking we’re still in a dream state. Regardless of what is believed, it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. It is indeed true that calling upon the name of Jesus Christ will bring us our of SP. it is also true that closing your eyes, breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth will loosen you from this paralysis. It’s because both of these work that it’s hard determining just what SP is(although there is the possibility that these are simply placebos and it’s more of the mindset that free’s you) regardless, i think anyone who experiences this should keep track of what they see feel and hear, what they dreamt of before it happened, and what their emotional state was before they fell asleep.

We know mostly everything about SP and here’s the article!

I don’t get why everyone tries to avoid SP during WILD. When you get it, you can enter a very vivid lucid dream quite easily.

Just today after a refreshing afternoon nap, I got SP. I wasn’t scared though, I knew what was happening. For 20-30 minutes, I tried “exiting” my body, that is leaving my physical body with my dream body to start a lucid dream, but I couldn’t no matter how hard I tried. I sinking through my bed, floating out of my body, rolling over, and spinning around.

The experience really depends on what you expect of it. I have a bit of experience with it, and as soon as I discovered what it was and the science behind it, I stopped being afraid of it.

I’ve tried getting SP four times by laying down and staying still, trying to use it in WILD. Two times I gave up because I wanted to sleep. The other two weren’t actual successes, but something still.
My first try was the best. I got vibrations on my legs and hands, though it was something closer to cramping, really. But then I probably got too excited because I felt pressure on my chest, as if someone was pushing it and started breathing too heavily. The vibrations stopped, too. I think I was quite close to LD, if I could’ve just rolled over to the dream I would’ve done it.
Second try was lamer, all I got was heavy numbness all over my body. It didn’t make progress for a while so I decided to go to sleep.
That’s all I’ve got, I’ll try it again tonight.

I have a question about SP, a hopefully simple one…is SP like having LDs, where you can want something to happen and it will? For instance, if I was hallucinating during SP, and there was something scary coming towards me, if I wanted it enough and kept thinking about it, could I “hallucinate” something happening to the monster, like suddenly exploding or turning it into something else?

You were interacting with HH, usually that breaks the hypnagogic state but some dreamers can interact with them easily but keep in mind that your goal is not SP, it’s lucid dream so maybe is better to passively observe HH, but if you prefer that way and if it’s working for you then do it by the all means! :content:


I just came across this song from U.N.K.L.E - Rabbit In Your Headlights

This lyrics caught my attention and I relate it to SP:

“If you’re frightened of dyin’ and you’re holding on…
You’ll see devils tearing your life away.
But…if you’ve made your peace,
Then the devils are really angels
Freeing you from the earth…from the earth…from the earth”

That’s is very much true for SP too!

haha i remember when i first was trying to WILD and i got SP and HI and i thought i was going to get lost from my body haha