The BIG "Was this a LD?" Topic

Hysteria, the awareness is the most important part and since you knew you were dreaming, I’m sure it was an LD. Also the dream become more vivid, and that happens a lot when people get lucid. Probably you were so amazed you just forget about stuff like flying :wink: And it’s not because you’re lucid your hands or other things will suddenly look normal, dreams are unstable by nature. So yes you had an LD, congrats :happy:

Hey Hysteria, congrats on your LD! You doubted if it was a LD and you said “I would at least try to fly”. But you have to realize that during a LD, you are still dreaming so not all your RL faculties (how you think etc) are the same, so you will still act sometimes a little weird when you think back on it after waking up. This is (at least partly) because during sleep there are certain chemicals in your brain active that shut down some critical awareness centers. However this can change when you are really high lucid, since the higher lucid you are the more you will have your RL ways of thinking back.

Thanks for the replies, Johan and Xetrov :smile: Your posts really encouraged me after the dream I had last night. I was lucid so I tried to convince some people, whom I don’t know IRL, that they were dreaming and told them I would ask them what their dream was like when they woke up. I guess I was very low lucid so I thought I knew those people, but I’m really fascinated by shared dreaming so I tried to prove it was true, which was something I wanted to do.

I recently discovered lucid dreaming and became very intrested in it. I took my first attempt at having a lucid dream last night. I laid down in bed and relaxed myself. I them closed my eyes and told myself over and over “I am goign to have a lucid dream and i am going to remember it” After a while i started feeling myself fall asleep. As this happened i felt my eyelids start to twitch and the room felt like it was fading away(i couldnt see the room fading away because i had my eyes closed ) Then it felt like i was being sucked into a black hole. I got scared and opened my eyes.

Was this just me falling asleep or was a entering a dream.

I also read something about a part of sleep called rapid eye movement (REM) Is that why my eyes were twitching?

if you have any ideas or tips for me please tell me

Hey adg12012! Welcome to LD4all :wink:

It happened in the evening, so you were probably falling asleep. The feeling of “falling into a black hole” is pretty normal and happens when the body falls asleep. This happens everytime we fall asleep, but mostly we don’t notice it because also the mind falls asleep and we become unaware of our body. However, you kept your mind awake a little longer by repeating your intention of having a LD, and that’s why you actually became conscious of your body falling asleep. So it’s nothing extraordinary, but already a good sign if you can achieve this in your first night of practice :wink: If you do this after you’ve slept about 6 hours, you have a bigger chance of entering a dream pretty quickly after your body felt asleep.
Did you see any visual imagery or did you hear strange noises? Because they’re also signs of your body falling asleep.

No. REM sleep happens while you’re in a dream. And the first real REM dreams happens about 1.5hrs after you felt asleep in the evening. The twitching is probably another side-effect of your body falling asleep. The real eye twitching of REM sleep is the result of the eye movements you’re making while in a dream (this was used to prove LDs are real phenomena, now almost 25 years ago).

Hope this helped!

Good luck with your LDing :wink:

no i didnt see any images…i tried using WILD over the last few night and found that that was my problem. All i see is the dots in front of my eyes swirling

If you do WILD after you’ve slept for a few hours, you’ll more easily see these dots changing into unstable imagery. It’s more difficult in the evening because then the bridge between waking life and the dreamworld is still too wide to cross easily, and so the dots remain dots most of the times :smile:

I was attempting a wild LD last night, as this method I’ve had the most luck with. I was watching all those patterns and stuff on my eyes and I started hearing voices/noises and seeing faces and so on. My mind then wandered to a party I was at the other day, and I began to work through scenarios where things happened the way I wanted them to.

I had a high level of control, however it wasn’t very clear and I had to work very hard to keep it all happening for me. If I lost concentration for a second, I’d have to regain my train of thought. Also, I could move my arms and scratch myself while this was happening. I was both aware of my mental self and my physical self. It didnt’ feel like a dream, but my imagination isn’t normally that vivid. I coud only do things possible in real life. My attempts at flying and other such things were unsuccessful.

What is this? is this just part of the pre-sleep cycle, my imagination, or something else?

Thanks,
Rift

It’s probably strong hypnagogics. Your description sounds quite similar to my own experiences. Hypnagogics are pre-sleep images, sounds and impressions, often more unstable than dreams. They can be used as a gateway to a real dream, because in essence WILD is about gently floating with these unstable imagery gently while remaining conscious. But the key is not to interact too much with them. Just let them develop before your eyes, until you feel them changing into a more stable environment of a dream.
Yes this imagery can feel quite distinct from normal dreams. That is because during hypnagogics, the brain emits theta brainwaves, which are less emitted during usual dreams.

Cheers, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your help.

Can someone explain (acting like I know absolutely nothing about anything)exactly what lucid dreaming is like, because I had this dream where I was walking down this row of cars (millions of cars) and I was looking for one to highjack (I’m not one in real life). I found this one and I went to hotwire it (I have no clue how to do it in real life, but id like to learn :grin: and I thought about it and decided to connect the yellow to the red. It worked. Well, the car was sucky so I got in another one, and i remembered back to when I hotwired the other car. Of course, I only had an extremely vague suspicion I was dreaming, but what I’m wondering is if you can think or remember like normally in dreams. More important, was I lucid?

By definition, a lucid dream is a dream where you know you’re dreaming. But there are different levels of lucidity. An “extremely vague suspicion” corresponds to a very low lucidity level: it’s more a “pre-lucid” dream than a lucid one, indeed.
Next time you experience this suspicion, try to make a reality check. It will probably enhance your lucidity.

Yes, you can, but it means that your lucidity level is quite high. According to Paul Tholey, a German LDer and psychologist, a high level of lucidity implies :

I don’t agree with points 4 and 7, but I hope it can give you a good idea of what a high lucidity dream is.

Howsit all you pro LD’s

Ive never really gotten into this LD thing but decided to of late because i’d heard about it and lately ive been remembering all my dreams.

The other night i had a dream where, it was a dream INSIDE a dream, but i dont think i was aware of this {as in an LD} - i think i just sort of knew what was happening wasnt real, and could do stuff that wasnt real.
What the actual dream was about I dont know - i just know that i was having a dream inside a dream. And in that dream i was with someone {i dont know who} and we were walking around this weird place with heaps of weird shit going on, i remember walking up to places and having feelings and saying that “this is the wrong place” , or “oh shit ive gotta keep going, can go in here” and finally {this is the cool part} I suddenly knew that i could fly, and i started levitating, and I was saying to myself “keep going, keep going, higher higher, now…hyper space!!”, at that point i was so high i was up with the stars and they started to blur {yeh, just like in star wars or star trek during hyperspace} and i was suddenly moving really fast, I think i had the feeling that i was getting out of that place and going somewhere better.

Weird thing = Ive recently {month ago} moved from my small home town to the big city - im working and living up there now and everything is going good.

A link there maybe?

Thanks for reading

Hi esskodedreamer!
Whether it was a LD or not is really difficult to say, in your case ! I would say it’s a sort of prelucid dream, a dream where consciousness is higher than in a normal dream, but in which you don’t really achieve a full lucidity…
Bus as I don’t remember I ever had a dream in a dream, I cannot have a definite opinion about it… :sad:

Ok. Perhaps I could find an answer to this elsewhere in this thread, but i*m sort a lazy…

I’ve had relatively a high frequency of LDs compared to how much I’ve been practicing MILD, but I’m still wondering if my first LDish dream was an LD or just a HI or false LD:

I was awake. Then I fell instantly into a “lucid dream”: I was standing tall, them suddenly colors started to appera at my feet, and they rose up “at” my body (like lightning-fx from the Final Fantasy games). As this was happening I was saying (thinking) to my self: “I’m becoming lucid” or “I am lucid”. Then I woke up.

My first thought was that I’d just imagined something while beeing very tired. At that time I’d never had a LD or anything similar though.

So now I’m kinda of wondering if I actually was lucid, or If i’m just was sseing HI or what…

Ok, I think I just had my first lucid dream, being trying for some time now. But this time it worked, I was able to walk around in the dreams and ask one of the characters a question, I asked him if he knew he was in my dream, he said he did, then his face changed shape and stuff, which freaked me out and I woke up. I am not sure if it counts or not…

Of course, it counts as a LD ! :smile:

He probably tried to verify, with his particular sense of humour, if you were aware that you were in a dream and nothing could harm you. LOL ! :content:

Just like me to dream up someone who has a sense of humor :grin:

i had a lie in this morning, and i noticed i was dreaming when i turned over in my bed and found a girl lying next to me smiling - i was obviously dreaming because rarely do i get a girl into bed with me, when i do it’s not very often that they stay in bed the whole night and even when they do it’s extremely rare that they are smiling when they wake up …

so i knew it was a dream and i tried a quick reality check by looking at my nose, only i didn’t concentrate too hard cos i was already certain that i was dreaming, so i started rubbing my hands together - this seemed to make my vision go all blocky and weird, like when you watch a tv episode on your computer and the quality is quite low (know what i mean?) and it made everything a bit more colourful too.

then i shouted “increase lucidity now!” and that made everything brighter. i tried getting up, but i was lying in bed and the covers held me in place (this is why i’m wondering if it was actually a proper lucid dream or not - if i was really lucid then surely i would have been able to get up despite the duvet on the bed?).

the whole thing only lasted about 5 minutes when i was awoken by my flat mate slamming the door behind him (bastard).

so is this a lucid dream? even if it wasn’t it was still quite nice :smile:

I think it was a lucid dream.