The Big WBTB Topic

This method is what I really want to try next. I have never really tried it with long periods only a few minutes.

I think I have found a way to get up to do WBTB. I downloaded a program that can start playing a mp3 at a chosen time. And since I have my computer in another room than my bed I will have to get up to turn it off. And because I can play music instead of a anoying alarm I can wake up slowly. Could also be a good program to start playing the Laberge interview during the night.

Playing the Labarge interview would be good or or do anything that is related to LD ing.

It worked :cool: . This morning I tried the program and I did get up, but for some reason I forgot the dream I had before waking up. I didn’t get a LD this time :cry:

I listened to the LaBerge interview while sleeping. I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn’t fall back asleep with it on. :sad:

Used WBTB this morning and a strange thing happened with my real body while I was having my (non-lucid) dream. A short version:

A guy with a shovel shoves me in a room, locks the door and leaves. I can see him leave from a small window. A couple of seconds later I see another man walking by. I hit the window to catch his attention but he can’t hear me. I hit harder and scream for help and he stops and looks around (not exactly knowing where the sound come from). I scream for help as high as I can and as I’m screaming I can hear my real body mumbling “heeeelllp” :panic: . And this of course wakes me up :bored:

Anyone else had this experience ? You do something so intensively that it also happens to your real body…

HAHA mumbling… haha…

I did WBTB for two night and each night had 1+ LDs… for the past four or five days since then I have woken up naturally for a few minutes at the same time and experienced 2 or more LDS each night.

I find that after WBTB it is VERY easy to WILD. I can tell I am in a dream and I just FA straight into a LD.

This has been by far the most effective method for my LDs… and it is very easy.

The effectivness may be because i haev been practicing LDs for half a year, and have had good luck any way, but I am just amazed at how well this works. I think spending 20 min out of bed a few nights for LDs is something every one shoudl try!

Macrophage, something similar happened to me. I had FA where I was floating up towards the ceiling and it was very dark and I was afraid for some reason. I kept yelling “increase light” and when I woke up I heard myself mumbling “light”.

Well, right now I just woke up a few minutes before my alarm clock went off. I’m not sure if this was actually due to having gogtten into the mindframe that I actually wanted to wake-up after 4 or 5 hours. Now, I’m just reading some more dream stuff until I feel sleepy againa and then heading back into dreamland. The dream I had though was semilucid? For some reason I felt somewhat empowered but not fully. I did have a dream though and wrote that down. It took place at my old elementary school.

Darnd’it. No lucidity. However, I did actually have dreams that were clear which is OK in my book. I had about 3 dreams. Good stuff, and I’ll keep trying now. :grin:


That’s great. You will find that as you practice LD your normal dream will get more interesting.

Take it easy and keep trying…

That’s one of the best things that has happened tome since returning to lucid dreaming, it’s the fantasic dream recall. Even if I’m not lucid (and I’m usually not) I stil have very vivid dreams, which are a reward in it of themselves.



I compleatly agree. :smile:

Some times we forget to enjoy our ND as well.

I have found WBTB to be successfull for inducing LDs two out of the past three weekends. The clarity of the LDs haven’t been as great as with WILD - but I haven’t had a true WILD in a while.

I think the main problem with WBTB when it involves a significant amount of time awake (1 hr+) before going back to ebd is that it is not realistic to use this technique for most of the week when you can’t afford to wake up late. Just my 2 cents.

Hi pleban :wave:

When you used the WBTB did you stay up for an hour or just a few minutes.

There is no such thing. If it works for you that is all that matters.

Don’t worry about the clarity that improves with time. As soon as you find yourself in the dream use a stabilizing/prolonging tech that should improve the clarity.

Ok, in the midst of my trying to induce a WILD, I got to the point where I could not feel my body at all. I couldn’t even feel my chest move while I was breathing. The only things that still seemed to be kept awake was my hearing and my eyes. For some reason, no matter how long I stay focused, I cannot see images or hear sounds. My body falls asleep, but I cannot see anything except darkness. The same thing happens when I try a WBTB. I go back to sleep and get to the point where I cannot move my body and cannot feel my breathing, but I still cannot get quite into the dream state. My mind is too awake I guess? Any suggestions? I guess if it were to work I would need more focus, but I’m not quite sure how to focus when I get to this null/paralyzed point. Any help would be great. Thanks!

Actually you are most likely too focused on something and thus keeping yourself too awake. You got down into SP so you are getting close. Now you just need to let go a little more. This is hard to explain but you want to get to a point where you are only slightly focused on one thing. All other thoughts are quiet. If you can visualize you can try to visualize a simple object you create in your mind. If you are not good at visualizing focus on a white dot in the center of your forehead. It does not matter if you really see it or not just keep your attention to that area.

You can also create a falling or spinning sensation.

Do not focus on anything in your environment or your real body. You want to let that world go.

To crossover you have to let go of almost all your awareness and stay focused on one small thing. Read the big WILD topic part 11 for some more tips.

Accidental dubble post. :grrr: computers

You’re absolutely right. The entire time I was tyring to invision too hard. I was trying to crate a whole environment around me. Have you read that VILD topic? That’s the reason why I was trying to focus. I was tyring to incubate a scene I had made. Maybe I was doing it too early? I’m not entirely familiar with the stages of entering a dream and knowing exactly when it is you can start creating environments, etc. Oh, thanks for your reply. You’ve been extremely helpful. :smile: