The BIG WILD topic - Part XIV

I once had the freefall feeling and when I reached the bottom I found myself in my room, but it was as if the dream was not stable yet (all the object were comformed from a serie of lights). Pretty wierd…

A pitty I could’t stabilize the situation…

Hey, I don’t know if this has been asked before, but I’ve been trying to start up LD again(been trying off and on for the past year or 2) and I get the closest with WILD.

  1. Is it common while you’re in sleep paralysis trying to WILD, that your muscles contract?(i.e. your arm flinches or leg kicks, etc)

2)How long on average does it take to enter a LD via WILD, especially for a beginner(Sometimes after about an hour or so if I get that far into it, I get a cramp or itch that has been driving me crazy so I decide to give up)

  1. Yes, it’s called myoclonic jerks. There are some threads about that on the forum.
  2. If you have a cramp, it’s probably because your relaxation technique is not such good. About itching, it disappears with experience: you should try to continue a little when you feel it. It’s said to be far easier to have a WILD if you practice WBTB. You don’t have to wait so long.

I always have some problem when trying WILD. About ten or so minutes into it, I feel as if my body is turning into liquid or a really heavy gas, starting from my toes and fingers going up into my extremities until the only part that feels solid is my head. It also feels really tingly, and I can’t seem to move, or want to move.

But every time I reach this stage, I always get a really dry throat or an itch on my leg, and I can’t ignore it… I have to cough or scratch it… Is it possible to do a WILD after dealing with these problems, or is it better just to ignore it as best as you can?

I think it’s better to ignore it the best you can. If you focus on another thing, it tends to disappear. I don’t know where the problem comes from, but I know it’s the same when you begin to practice relaxation. When you are more experienced, this problem no more occurs.

The only problem i had so far is that i always wake up in the established hour BUT i always quit the counting while WILD’ing due to be extremely tired; is there any cure for that? will enhacement?

Will enhancement should work yes. Try to keep your focus. You can practice it during the day also: for instance try counting your breaths WITHOUT thinking about anything else. Let’s say, count to ten and then begin all over again. It’s more difficult than it might seem… our minds have the natural tendency to wander off if focusing too long. If you find yourself wandering off, start from one again. Do this day by day and it will strengthen your focus.

Well, there’s just one other problem: Saliva. Whenever I manage to finally relax I’ve got a big bucketload of saliva in my mouth and I just can’t help but swallow. It’s a reflex.

Yeah the saliva can be quite annoying… but I think the best method is not to think about it, at least not like “oh no the saliva is again collecting in my mouth. oh no!” Just try to keep relaxed and when you feel like you’re building up to the moment of swallowing, try to swallow it before that moment arrives. This way you can do it more slowly and controlled than when you wait until your mouth is full. While swallowing it, don’t pay too much attention to it but keep focused on your relaxed body, for instance by keeping focused on the image of falling down in an elevator… tell yourself that swallowing won’t stop you from falling down, from falling into a deeper relaxation. Tell yourself it won’t disturb you. You can do this also in the evening right before going to bed.
One other thing: the saliva problem usually disappears once you’re into a really deep relaxation and once SP appears.

Hope this helps :smile:

Try lightly pressing your tongue up against the roof of your mouth.

Well, I’m still having trouble with LDing, WILD still seems like my most likely course of LDing, but I still can’t get there, I’ve tried; right as I’m first going to sleep, after about 4-6 hours, various other times of waking up during the night, during a nap, during the day, but none of them have been successful, I feel that I"m just too away and can’t go to sleep, my body is relaxed, and sleep paralysis is fairly easy, and I can get to the beginning of seeing HI, but that’s about as far as I can get, I never fully fall asleep, can someone give me any pointers.

Also on the saliva issue, if I leave my mouth closed it builds up, but if I leave my mouth open(more comfortable for me), my mouth drys up, and I eventually have to move my mouth and lips to wet it.

At the moment, I’ve only experienced 2 spontaneous WILDs. Both have some features in common:

  1. Both WILDs happened after a LD.
  2. Both LDs ended between 6 and 8 am.
  3. After every LD, I woke up and thought about the dream. More precisely: the emotions that I felt in my LDs.
  4. In about 5 minutes I fell sleep and entered directly into another LD, that was unstable and short.

Hope that helps!

If you get into SP easily you could try the “rolling out” tech, I wrote a guide to this here. I would also still advice that you keep trying WILD after WBTB or after waking up during the night. Good luck!

I have the problem of that when just entering HI, i try to focus it instead of just carrying on counting :sad:

then my mind becomes too active and i have to start over again.

i have never gotten past HI (not that i have been trying for very long)

Do i just need more willpower to carry on counting?

Actually, the counting is usually used to make you go into relaxation faster while also keeping your mind awake. When you reach the stage of SP and HI, you’re usually relaxed enough for the next stage of WILD. Generally speaking, counting doesn’t help here anymore because it keeps your mind too focused, too aware. If your mind becomes too active, try to let things go more. The key is to stay focused on one thing… don’t push it, but remain aware of it on a very low level. This really takes a lot of practice and experimenting on how far you can go with the level of your awareness. It’s also best to focus on dream-related stuff, like a dream scene, a dream object you visualize before your eyes, but it can also be something like spinning sensations which can make you roll out of your body straight into the dream. Some people also use the HI: pick one particular HI scene without trying to get attached with it or interact with it actively. Instead, observe it passively and use your mind to zoom in on it, gently and without forcing it. But remain passively focused on it. This will cause the HI to surround you fully until it stabilizes into a full blown dream.
Various methods are possible as you can see, but it’s up to you to experiment with them and experience what fits best for you. In any case, I think counting is only suitable for the first phase of WILD. Afterwards you need to lower your awareness to make the transition from waking to dreaming, and counting often requires too much awareness for this purpose.

Hope this helped a bit.
Good luck :happy:


Thankyou for the help, i think this is what i am doing wrong, i need to relax more :cool:

I will let you know how i get on :wink:

Didn’t do too badly with WILD last night, got to a stage where i saw my Hypnagogic Images turn into proper pics :happy:

when i wild what kind of movement should i focus on i dont really like the walking down stairs thing is there anything else you whould recomend

I count down from 100 down to 1, from 1 back up to 100, back down to 1. Lather rinse and repeat…

You may focus on the falling feeling (sort of creating it then intensifying it) or the floating movement.