The ‘Keys’ to Lucid-Dreaming

You guys seem to play against your subconscious! Don’t do that! Play with them, ask them to give you an LD!

Most of my LDs were wishes granted—I like the name Snape gives to it: “autosuggestion”.

But to get LDs that way, you must first become your SC’s friend, and stop trying to hack it…

So is it better to “ask” your SC for a LD or to “tell” it you will have one? Does it matter? (Are you saying you can’t “command” your SC when you say “hack” it, Bruno?) It seems everything I’ve read about LDs says you should intend to become lucid but if you try too hard it might not work. There’s a fine line there that I can’t seem to find.

I had a LD once so it can’t be that hard but that was a year ago so how do I become friends with my SC so I can join the lucid club? :help:

Bruno’s Right!

Play with it, them, yourself.

One thing that has struck me as an immense contradiction since I began reading many more of the posts here is how hard people work at making a very materialist thing out of something as insubstantial as dreaming, let alone lucid dreaming. When I say “insubstantial” I am using that word’s more closely defined meaning of non-material, immeasurable.

Dreams are the stuff that heaven is made of. The dreamworld is the home of chimeras, of werewolves, of gods and demons and all the beings of fantasy and the divine. So why do so many seem intent on treating it as if it were something like learning how to drive a car?

If it isn’t fun, why try? And like all mental skills, if you have no fun in the process, you will never reach the goal. People who find studying languages an odious chore, seldom speak one well let alone master a second, third or fourth.

PLAY! PLAY! PLAY!

Make trying to WILD or MILD, or BHAWILD* a game, and don’t be hard on yourself when you fall short. If you approach it as an interesting activity, something fun to try and get at least some entertainment out of seeing the differences in the experience of trying from one night to another, you are 100 times more likely to succeed than when it is a complex process with a million rules to follow.

When I do it, I do not worry about if I feel the need to scratch. If an itchy calf causes me more distraction than I can ingore, I scratch. No cosmic rule has been broken. I can keep thinking and counting and all the other stuff I may be involved in while I rake my leg. If I find myself forgetting my assigned project more one night than another I find that interesting in itself, rather than a cause for concern. Directed play is so much more fun that even if you don’t succeed, you can have fun trying. And you learn about consciousness along the way.

In some ways it is like making love. If you are busy worrying about technique, you might as well be doing pushups. Allow creativity and spontaneity to guide you and enjoy the experience. Anything less is a waste of energy and will leave you frustrated.

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*Banging head against wall induction of Lucid dream. Warning: don’t really BHAWILD- it might cause braindamage and is contra-indicated it you rent your home; landlords want you to pay for the damage to the wall.

Eoghan

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Its like a little less than a month that I try OBE or AP (Astral Projection). Recently (5 days) I learned about lucid dreams. At my first attemp I was already doing them.

The first night I done a WILF , or a lucid dream that I was fully lucid when I entered it. My methos is RC sometime at each days and auto suggestion just a little bit before (and if I don’t do AP) . Its so easy for me dont know why the first night I done 2 LD in a night and yesterday one . For me the technique that work isd trying to know its a dream and knowing if im able to fly. If im able Its a lucid dream.

Yesterday I tryed little trick telekinisis and flying and jumping technique . It worked a little that was cool.

I’ve read that it took Stephen LaBerge 2.5 years before he could induce a lucid dream at will…so I guess I shouldn’t be too hard on myself.

The first try I succeeded.

I mean before I was just knowing them like that and the first time that I read about LD I was having one.

But im not doing it at every night like its 2 night that I didnt have one.

I have the motivation and try real hard, but everytime I come close ( dizzy feeling ) I start thinking I’m doing it, I’m doing it, and then my mind gets distracted and Im back to scratch and start all over again. The problem is that my anxiety gets in the way and messes up my flow.

Just say to yourself that is a dream , dont try to force thing you will never get result. And when you know youre lucid dont be excited ans you should do what you want in your dream.

motivation definitively and curiosity!
thats actually proven by the fact that many peeps have their first LD after having heard bout the fact that it actually works :wink:

Before I fall asleep, I lay there and clear my mind of everything. Then as I relax, I say to myself, “I am relaxing, I am going to sleep” over and over again until I finally do fall asleep. Then the next thing I know, I am dreaming away until I wake up the next morning.

From personal experience, what really trigs my LD’s (even though they’re not that advanced this far XD) is reading about it, almost obsessing it, because then, even when I am not thinking about it, indeed it turns out I am. However, if the reading (or watching movies or whatever) abou LD’s stop, my mind doesn’t take it in, and I forget about it. Does this indicate a very shallow interest or is my mind just easy on forgetting things?

yay thats exactly my problem… i guess we’ll solve this out trying again and again, well thats what im doing :smile:

The biggest key isn’t motivation!

I hate to disagree…

Without motivation, where are you getting? How can you ever hope to get there? It’s the biggest key to LD’ing, but probably not the only key.

I think another key to LD’ing is getting that first LD. After getting the first LD, the next one is slightly easier to get, and so on. Kinda like practicing a sport. Once you perform a specific technique properly, it becomes easier to do a second and third and fourth time because you KNOW how to do it. What I’m trying to say is that it still might be hard to do it the second and third time, but you know what you’re supposed to do.

But of course, without motivation, where do you go from there?

I definitely disagree…I almost never have more than one or two lucid dreams in one month unless I am highly motivates to have more. Motivation ties directly into willpower and willpower is the most powerful way to achieve lucid dreams.

I would partly agree that a strong motivation is one of the cornerstones of lucid practice, BUT too much of a good thing can destroy even your slightest chance of becoming lucid, or you get frustrated because of painstaking slow progress (if any at all), and so on (been there :wink: )

Hey, just registered, so glad lots of people are trying this. So, is there anyone who has or can on COMMAND lucid dream? If so, how long EXACTLY did it take you to learn how to do this? I have only been trying for a week and a half, so I know I shouldn’t expect any extreme results, but since I have been following my rules in the book I have, I have actually had LESS dreams then usual…Is this normal at first? or is there some technique I should try to improve my chances of having a LD.?

There are some people here who can LD by willpower, but I don’t remember specifically who. Anyway, I guess it would take a fair amount of practise, just like any LDing technique would.

Personality of a person makes all the difference. Moreover morale. I can do it because I said so just now. If I said I can’t, well I’d be right too.

definitely work and practice. my smoking interferes with this slightly. however i still have had plenty of lucid dreams because i worked for them i got what i got for the amount of work i did. however there are certain aspects to inducing a lucid dream that could be seen as detrimental to a full nights sleep. i mean say you wake up to do a WBTB, unless you keep everything dark your melatonin is shot, sometimes certain people can’t fall back asleep (me) falling asleep while remaining conscious might inadvertantly keep you up longer. so what should be done? should lucid dreaming be abandoned because of these reasons? NO!. whats need is a resolution for these problems for those who have them. Now the resolutions vary by the dreamers innate abilities and actions, their choice and execution of the techniques, circumstance, and among other things the results they get. would saying to a dreamer “WBTB isn’t working for you so you should try WILD” be fair?to an extent maybe however his trust in a lucid dreamer might make him completely abandon a technique that may come in useful. so the question is “is substitute a logical path?” yes and no. on the one hand he’d be giving up on something just to take the path of least resistance, but then again the goal is to have a lucid dream and not to become a die hard. so what i would say is do what feels right to achieve your goal but don’t give up on the tough path. with more info this can be made clearer but we don’t have that yet. so say the guy that can’t fall back asleep is still having trouble, suggestions i would give are " try the method with less waking time between, make sure you eliminate the possiblility of disturbance, trying helps too"