This is hell

lets see wat you all think about this

when they talk about satan being sent down they said after he started trying to take over heaven, heavn is supposed to be above earth, soo this must mean earth is hell. there is no mention of sending him down… then down again, we are in hell right now.

so why not accept the fact that we are in hell.

No earth is the line between heaven and hell.

tsk tsk tsk dont you see what i just said earth may be in between heaven and hell then that means satan was just sent to earth

You havn’t heard of Paradise Lost then.

It tells the story of how Lucifer(Satan) and his angels were thrown into the deepest pit which was Hell.

here’s more info if you want

How do you know God is the good one, and Satan is the bad one? :wink: After all, all these wars have been fought for God, but what wars have been fought for Satan?

Or maybe that’s all part of Satan’s plan - put people up to fight each other, then blame God and make God look bad lol.

I believe people make their own heaven or hell, here on earth. If you believe your life is horrible and that this is as bad as it gets, then you’re in hell. If you believe your life is good and you’re happy (not just content, but actually happy), then I suppose you’re in heaven. :smile: I think most people are inbetween though, or commuting heaven to hell and back on a daily basis. :tongue:

Paradise Lost is a fascinating story, by the way.

way better then Dante’s Inferno, IMO.

If I believed in Heaven and Hell, I’d say the Hell described in Dante’s Inferno would probably be the most accurate. After all, assuming Satan were real, wouldn’t you expect more ingenuity from the “Prince Of Evil” than just tossing everyone into flames?

I like the way it’s all described in “Constantine

"John Constantine: Heaven and hell are right here, behind every wall, every window, the world behind the world. And we’re smack in the middle. "

It’s very similar to how Milton expresses it in “Paradise lost” How you can amek this place you own heaven or your own hell.

The Bible says Lucifer was cast down to the Earth, not hell. Hell is an invention of the church, really the Bible is speaking of a “lake of fire” that all the sinners are cast into after Jesus comes back and God judges everyone.

Medieval belief: Satan was thrown down and created a conic tunnel in Earth which became hell (see “Divina Commedia” for more info), with the devil at the very bottom, which was the point farthest from God in the ptolemaic conception of the universe.

While the comparison between a hellish plane and this wonderful world is very viable, the belief that hell and the devil are somewhere underground is a little outdated.

For that conception though, hell is housed by this planet, it’s somewhere within it, yes.

okso let me get somethingstraight.

you think it looks like this.

----- Heaven

o Earth

####### Hell

and the devil fell" from heven to hell as in moving down.

well i think that is a little strange, the idea of there being a higher and slower. so i propose this.

it doesnt look like the model above, instead it looks like this


that is heven, it is earth and it is hell. All there. Just depends on what preception you take, and where you mind is currently that makes the rest of the stuff around it.

I was taught in school that heaven and hell are really states of mind, not places.

Anyway, does this feel like hell? As long as not everyone agrees on that, I don’t think that could be the case. I think heaven and hell are supposed to be absolute, not subjective.

On an unrelated note, that reminds me of the Blackadder episode where he tries to convince the nobleman that he is going to go to hell, but that evil people like him enjoy the place.

one mans trash is the next mans trasure.

One mans pain is the next mas pleasure.

If this is tru, can there ever really be a hevan and hell?

if say someone loved to be hurt, they couldnt go to hell because this would be their heven. so therefor they would go to heven with would be there hell… in doing so would this not make heven hell for everyone else there?

i personal dont belive there is either heven or hell, i beleive what happens after you die is what you expect ot happen. If you think you will go to heven you will, hell it is? sure. If you expect there will be nothing then you will be right too.

And if you are like me and expect it to be what ever you expect then it is probally gonig to be one big long expereince, just like a lucid dream

Hell is everything you don’t want. Many things can be hell for people, even those without a doorway with scary inscriptions on it, high temperatures, or imitations of people.

One can be in hell even if such a place doesn’t exist. Nobody likes hell, if hell is their hell.

fair nuff

Where is that in the Bible? If you can please give me book chapter and verse.

The best view point of Hell is in the play Dr. Faustus ( The demon that is under Faustus’ control describes Hell as any place where God is not present.

Revelations 12:7
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelations 20:14
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Read these verses in context before you go refuting me, you guys. :wink:

I figured it was from Revelations.

Now the question is wasn’t Revelations after Satan’s original fall from Heaven?

Satan was present since the time of Adam and Eve. So that means that he had to have fallen prior to the incident’s described in Revelations.

Revelations is exactly what the title says: it is the Revelation, or Vision, of John.

Yes and no. Much of the book is prophetic, so much of what it describes has not yet transpired. It is a divine vision that John had. And as alot of you well know, the concept of linear time is not exactly held in high esteem during these moments of clarity. Some is reffering to the past, and some the future.

If Lucifer’s fall is not described in the verses from Revelations I gave to you, then what do those verses describe? And where in the Bible does it speak of the “real” fall?

Those verses do describe a fall of Lucifer’s. The one that is told about in Revelations is the one that is going to occur during the end of days that John is seeing.