when they talk about satan being sent down they said after he started trying to take over heaven, heavn is supposed to be above earth, soo this must mean earth is hell. there is no mention of sending him down… then down again, we are in hell right now.
How do you know God is the good one, and Satan is the bad one? After all, all these wars have been fought for God, but what wars have been fought for Satan?
Or maybe that’s all part of Satan’s plan - put people up to fight each other, then blame God and make God look bad lol.
I believe people make their own heaven or hell, here on earth. If you believe your life is horrible and that this is as bad as it gets, then you’re in hell. If you believe your life is good and you’re happy (not just content, but actually happy), then I suppose you’re in heaven. I think most people are inbetween though, or commuting heaven to hell and back on a daily basis.
If I believed in Heaven and Hell, I’d say the Hell described in Dante’s Inferno would probably be the most accurate. After all, assuming Satan were real, wouldn’t you expect more ingenuity from the “Prince Of Evil” than just tossing everyone into flames?
The Bible says Lucifer was cast down to the Earth, not hell. Hell is an invention of the church, really the Bible is speaking of a “lake of fire” that all the sinners are cast into after Jesus comes back and God judges everyone.
Medieval belief: Satan was thrown down and created a conic tunnel in Earth which became hell (see “Divina Commedia” for more info), with the devil at the very bottom, which was the point farthest from God in the ptolemaic conception of the universe.
While the comparison between a hellish plane and this wonderful world is very viable, the belief that hell and the devil are somewhere underground is a little outdated.
For that conception though, hell is housed by this planet, it’s somewhere within it, yes.
If this is tru, can there ever really be a hevan and hell?
if say someone loved to be hurt, they couldnt go to hell because this would be their heven. so therefor they would go to heven with would be there hell… in doing so would this not make heven hell for everyone else there?
i personal dont belive there is either heven or hell, i beleive what happens after you die is what you expect ot happen. If you think you will go to heven you will, hell it is? sure. If you expect there will be nothing then you will be right too.
And if you are like me and expect it to be what ever you expect then it is probally gonig to be one big long expereince, just like a lucid dream
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Read these verses in context before you go refuting me, you guys.
Revelations is exactly what the title says: it is the Revelation, or Vision, of John.
Now the question is wasn’t Revelations after Satan’s original fall from Heaven?
Yes and no. Much of the book is prophetic, so much of what it describes has not yet transpired. It is a divine vision that John had. And as alot of you well know, the concept of linear time is not exactly held in high esteem during these moments of clarity. Some is reffering to the past, and some the future.
Satan was present since the time of Adam and Eve. So that means that he had to have fallen prior to the incident’s described in Revelations.
If Lucifer’s fall is not described in the verses from Revelations I gave to you, then what do those verses describe? And where in the Bible does it speak of the “real” fall?