To Dream, or to Project...

Quest for Lucidity
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Alright, so here’s my deal…

So I’d say it’s safe to say that every time I’ve become lucid, I lose control, however, I’ve had a very short carrer with it so far, I’d say i started a few months ago, when i started getting into Mckenna, and Arguelles, and Castenada. anyway, so yes, i cant control myself. every time ive become lucid i just release my energy, or try to release it all at once(and yes, i know, that you cant really release any of your oversouls energy, unless youve had MUCH practice) Like ill just throw myself into the sky, as fast as i can, and spin even faster. however, every single time ive woken up seconds after ive become lucid i have this intangible energy flowing through my body, its like a hundred times an orgasm.

I remember talking to my brother (an AVID dreamer, and i would go so far as to say sorceror at this point) about experiences. He talked about one time when, in his dream, he was on the floor writhing with energy, and he couldnt control it at all, i assume he jsut woke up, because he couldnt continue his dream.

So, a few nights ago, I became lucid, but this time was different. I was dreaming i was in my bed, which ive only experienced one other time, and in taht otehr time, i awoke into multiple other dreams, which i havent done since. anyway, so im in my bed, and to my left there is an acquaintence, ive had this strange relationship with, its a little had to desribe. And Kaitlin says to me, “look at him, that horny bastard, his eyes are turning yellow” at that piont i wake up. i think to myself, taht was a little scary, the whole eyes turning yellow thing. then i realize all my energy. i think back ot taht conversation, than to Robert Monroe’s experiences which he describes this energy, adn think to myself " why dont i try getting out of my body with all thsi energy i have" so i did, i almost got completely out, to my toes, then i thought myself back in.

so the trade-off to me, at this point in my dreaming career, is to ither try to dream better (not better, just control my lucidity) or to use my dream energy to project.

i also assume that i could very easily learn better dreaming techniques, and then, when i want to project i could just try and release all my energy, like ive been doing.

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what exactly do you meran by “releasing all your energy.”?

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if you mean in my dream, then im not entirely sure. i figure the reason ive been waking up is because of these bursts, little snippets of my oversouls energy, because ive never really used it before. however, you can never really release all of your energy to anything.

if you mean release all my energy in my catatonic/OBE state then i mean release it into projection.

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Hello Jestrodomous.

The energy you feel in a (lucid)dream is interetsing. It seems to be so for many people: when asleep the feelings of energy (inner and outside) greatly increase. This is why for example doing dream yoga, meditaiton or tai-chi works so well.
About projections: using your energy to get you out of your body (a so called OBE) is a myth made up by Bruce. I dont believe this at all and there’s tons of evidence he’s not (entirely) right. I have been in a discussion with Bruce proponents so I know their arguments, and they just dont fit together. These astral projections are “just” LD’s, although they look like OBE’s because of the energetic feelings perhaps, and because you dream up your sleeping environment and your own body.

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And i still did not get what is the point of “releasing energy” either in LD, or in OBE :shrug:

Does it helps you to be stronger, or smt IRL?

Forgive me my dumbness. I just never had done it yet, but enjoyed other stuff in LD’s :smile:

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Well, I prefer to take the scientific side of things, so I may not really be the best person to post in this thread…

But it seems to be the reason you’re waking up is because you’re getting too exicted. Try looking at your hands when you become lucid to calm yourself down…

As for the other dreams you posted (inlcluding your brothers) I’d persoanally just dismiss them as a normal ND.

Just one thing though - could you please expand on your brother being an avid dreamer (dream sorcerer), simply cos it sounds kindda interessting…

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Yes, the whole hands thing, i tend to focus more on other objects, because i feel ive gotten past the “hand stage” i have been able to stay within many of my LD scapes, its not a matter of not being able to control them really, its just a matter of when i lost control, or as i say, release some of my energy, that i then have the power to project IRL. i dont know, ill try and see if my false awakenings are really just another dream. however, i must say that every time prior to my trying to get out of my body, i had all this energy and it just sort of fizzled away, its NOT that i woke up, i was completely alert IRL.

as for my brother… hes only 19, im sure hes been into this for about two years now. he is a very strange person, quite hard to describe, he reminds me of a mystic. He LD 90% of the time, hes gone past the dreamscape, into other dimensionss, through the dreamscape. It’s like if any of you ever read any of Robert Monroe’s books, or more important the last one “far Journeys” they are all about OBE’s. Into the middle they get waaay far out there, into very strange dimensions, one of the practitioners even goes to his brith-place, his REAL birth place, where his oversoul was born. My brother is a very intense person, with quite the perception of reality. if you really want to know, he posts in Daniel Pinchbecks forum, breakingopenthehead, as Humming. If you go there, you can see waht i mean, its much more than dreaming. Its as though dreaming were the wooded path where infinty was the actual destination.

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I’ll check it out, if you can give me a link to the site/forum :wink:.

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Copy the forum name and Google it :smile:

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I’m far too lazy to do that.

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breakingopenthehead.com