Transcending yet farther

Quest for Lucidity General Lucidness
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I am not a person with much experience that I can attest to. I have had only 3 lucid dreams of note since my first one which was slightly over a year ago.

I have been doing some thinking, and have come up with sort of a vague idea
which I hope I can explain. I am hoping that somebody can try it since it may be a while until I achieve another lucid dream.

Allright, so here goes: All a dream is is mental activity. We associate them with
stories that have a sequence of events, because this is often how they manifest
themselves. If you are truly in control though, you should be able to completely rid of this cumbersome anchor. My idea is to completely transcend even the “dream body” which you are mentally tied to, and to you’re dream “environment”.

The only problem is that it requires a (possibly unreasonable) high level of lucidity. You would have to completely dissatatch yourself from the course of you’re dream that your subconscious controls, until nothing is left but pure thought.

My idea, in other words, is to break it down and get to the fundamentals: thought and senses. The way I imagine it is darkness, the only images being ones which you’re conscious mind makes completely from scratch, without subconscious impulses interfering.

Also, it seems that all the experiences of lucid dreaming I have read are as limited as any dream in the sense that, even though you know you are dreaming, you are obliged to act through the mode of your body. You don’t really need this, however, and the first step should be to cast off this burden.

The experience, as I imagine it, would be, free from any body, existing in nothing, the only companion being your thoughts. You would be able to create stimulus of any of the five senses. You would interact with your own mind as you would never be able to in waking life nor dreams in which you are tied to the illusory shadow of waking life, without any external influences, including you’re subconscious imagination.

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Are you interested in Meditation?
Plant Medicines?

Its interesting how you’ve described this state of being that you’re looking to experience…
In the first lucid dream I had in my adult life (had many when I was young…) I had a momentary experience that seems similar to this experience you’re describing…
You can read the dream in my DJ… its titled Baby Supernova
The lucid part is towards the end of the dream… and the bodiless black void experience is at the end of the lucid part…

I have also experienced something like this during extremely deep states of meditation… specifically while meditating for 12 hours a day for 10 days straight at a meditation retreat…
that definitely threw me into some far out states of being…

Also… During a few shaman led plant medicine Ceremonies that I’ve been apart of I have reached a state similar to this…

Im pretty sure there are many people out there who have had experiences like this too>> maybe this could be a place for members to share their experiences??

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I don’t think that dreams are only a mental activity.

What exactly is this cumbersome anchor?

What exactly do you mean by transcending the dream body?

You’re raising a lot of discussions here.

First, I’d like to tell you I have been many times “disassociated” from my dream body. I think most people have lots of dreams in which they didn’t feel like they were actively there, as if they were watching the dream. Did you even have one of those?

What you seem to be aiming for is completely emptying your mind inside a dream, and you are suggesting that you will see darkness as a result of nothing to see (experience).

Now, first of all, you are assuming that it is easy to shut off conscious and subconscious thoughts.

Most people can’t control their conscious thoughts and they are completely scattered around. Subconscious activity is much harder than that. Do you think you can stop subconscious activity? while being awake?

Now, let’s say you can do it, and you are lucid in a dream and you completely stop all brain activity.

You are then assuming that you will experience nothingness.

Our brain is receiving billions of bytes of information a second, only 2000 of them are decoded by the brain into what we translate as our life, our experience, using our 5 senses system.
Another thing to point out is that you think of dreaming as going inside your own brain. Inside your brain, you are able to have a reality, different from the physical one but a reality, an experience. You are able to see, to hear, to feel, to taste, to touch. So where is this happening? If the entirety of the dream itself, as I think you supposed, is all mental activity, then when you stop of your mental activities, aren’t you supposed to stop dreaming? If you have no mental activity going on, how can you keep dreaming? You are stating that darkness is nothing and thus when experiencing darkness you will experience nothing (once having shut down mental activity)
But the fact that you are saying what you will experience is suggesting it isn’t nothing, because the darkness will be there for you to see, to experience.

and by the way, that is a subconscious activity ^^ so if you go and have a subconscious thought that suggests that nothing is darkness, then you still have subconscious activity . Shutting down all mental activities is harder than you think :wink:

I was planning of writing some more but I have to go at the moment .

I’ll just say that I had experiences of nothingness (not only through dreams) and lucid dreams in which I have managed to transcend my dream body.

cheers
and :welcome: to the forums
:content:

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It’s hard for me to describe this. I guess ridding of all subconscious interference is not what I meant to say, but to not let you’re dream be a illusory shadow of waking life, in that there is no reason for you to need to exist in any sort of medium representing reality (I.E. Sequence of events that you go through in an environment, inside of a body).

My idea is not to completely cast of subconscious activity, which would be impossible, but to become so lucid that you are above even your surroundings and body, which are generated by your sub-conscious assumption that this is how things work (based on experience from waking life). My idea is to transcend that influence.

Sure, you all in your dreams know that it is merely a dream, but you probably still treat your dream-environments and dream-bodies as true, when you are in a dream.

My idea is simply to be inside your head, thinking. Not imagining fairy tales, which is great fun, but simply thinking. You could learn to use your mind like a limb, too. You could stimulate different senses. One way of looking at it, my idea is to understand in your dream that youdo not need to eat imaginary dream-fruit to taste sweetness in your mouth. The burdening middleman of acting as if it were the real world in which you must eat put a piece of fruit in your mouth to get this purely mental sensation, could be cast off.

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"My idea, in other words, is to break it down and get to the fundamentals: thought and senses. The way I imagine it is darkness, the only images being ones which you’re conscious mind makes completely from scratch, without subconscious impulses interfering. "

is your conscious mind good at making images ?

subconscious images are more entertaining,

it is very easy to discard the body and the dream and still be in a void, in between, with no particular sense of form,

how deep this is depends on how deep of a sleep you are in

it can get big, very huge, very tremendously deep

what it sounds like you wish to experience is , however, nothing to do with the conscious mind creating things, rather, experiencing creation moving thru you in a non-dream manner, as in, a higher dimensional existence, which is possible

one way is to dissolve the dream into your “heart” (even though you won’t have a “body”) and then you are immersed in very fast moving images in a psychedelic way.

i usually push myself through walls and then intend to go somewhere, and manifest a long series of doors, to thoroughly scramble away the present dream, and then intend the doors take me somewhere.

however you can also exist in the space of your eyelids amongst whatever images are there, this is a “void”

you can also look for LIGHT and be one with it too :razz:

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Non-local point of awareness? It sounds cool. Just activating the sensations. Tasting without a tongue. What would that feel like?

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That part of my idea was kind of vague, but come to think of it, I suppose it would be odd to experience any of your senses without an imaginary body.

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Indeed. Senses are experienced as located in the relevant body parts. Then again, there is synesthesia.