I’ll give it a try at bedtime too… 
I tried WILD after WBTB this morning but no go.
BTW - in chapter 4 of EWLD, LaBerge includes Tibetian visualization techniques…the selections he cites seem to favor a WBTB method; they begin by saying something like “At night firmly resolve to comprehend the dream state” Then “at dawn” (presumably after sleeping for several hours) initiate the visualization technique…
Good luck and try at all different times. Keep in mind that is only Dr. Laberage’s version version of the Tibetan technique. WBTB does appear to be a great technique for a lot of people but it just doesn’t work for me. A lot of people think WILD at bed time is impossible and I think that creates a mental block for people. Just as I have a mental block with WBTB and napping that I am trying to overcome. I just want to expand peoples potential for WILD. I know that WILD can be done at bed time because I have done it. I just want other people to know it is possible too.
Well, tried WILD three times last night/this morning…couldn’t even get close. When I tried it at bedtime, I simly fell asleep. This morning was particularly frustrating as each time I stayed still and tried it for an hour (after sleeping for 5 hrs) and nothing came of it…not even a moderate form of SP… 
So you’re saying that you can do WILD when you first go to bed, like you’ve had no naps previously or something like that? I always tried it because my imagery is best then, but have heard it is just impossible because of our sleep cycles and how you can’t have a REM period until you go through the other four (or whatever) stages before that. That’s why I stick to morning WILDs when I am still (technically) going through my sleep cycle while I am actually awake. <<My sleep and dreams teacher said this was possible but I don’t know, she knew very little about lds and even condemned them, so. . .
I often do wild before going to bed, works fine.
Sno_isulli that u can get no rem cyclus at the begining of sleep is only true for normal sleeping paterns. Not when you introduce wile/meditatation etc,…when u wild into sleep u change those rules…i also sometimes meditate into rem sleep before sleeping ands also selfhypnosis works.
jeff
Yeah, WILD at bedtime is possible. A couple nights ago I got really relaxed and tried the technique and in like 2 minutes my HI got really vivd and i felt my body shaking. Then when I started to hear voices I knew I was getting close but got really freaked out. Those sounds are so creepy!
I’m sure WILD at bedtime is possible, if you can just relax your body enough whilst keeping your mind focused. When I use the 61-point technique I get there quite fast, only I start getting the feeling I’m choking, like I can’t breathe - then I cough, losing my whole relaxation. Either that or my leg starts twitching. o_O I’ve also had non-induced WILDs (they just happened without me trying any technique at all) after lying awake for 1-2 hours after bedtime. Usually when I think about stuff to much and can’t get to sleep. I guess that’s the same principle - body relaxes, mind stays occupied.
Because I can’t relax properly at bedtime I use WILD/MILD in combination with WBTB. Techniques work differently on everyone. You have to try to work out what works for you 
Yeah 61-point relaxation works really well. I do it over and over until my HI gets really vivid. My problem is that i’ve accidentily moved into the dream but not been lucid.
Mmm Lucid_Adventurer then your awareness was to much out of focus…emptyness and still be aware at the same time is not so easy.
The dicipline of the far east takes years for it to master.
Practising should do the trick for you iam sure!
Jeff
Plebian
You said “not even a moderate form of SP…”
It sounds like you are back to focusing on the symptoms of WILD. Remember you said that in your first WILD you did not have HI, SP, hypnotic sounds or vibrations. You just popped into a dream fully lucid. Try not to focus so much on symptoms of WILD. In stead you need to keep letting yourself go more and more and just let things happen. Don’t worry you will get it with more practice. It is a hard balancing act of letting go and at the same time holding on to some of your consciousness. It just takes practice. If you hang in there and keep trying I have no doubt that you will get it. Good luck.
Milod - thanks for the encouragement 
Tried WILD at bedtime last night - no success again. When you say “just let go” this is a bit confusing because techniques like focus on body (i.e. recurrently using 61 point) need you to be aware of your body…similarly, the counting method requires focus. It is a delicate balance.
BTW - The one time I was successful at WILD I did use a focus on the body technique -I find it hard to use 61-point relaxation because after a few repetitions I can’t maintain focus…I usually am just super-aware of my body and try not to move…
Milod,
For the past two nights I’ve been using your steps on page 3 of this topic. Thanks for writing them out; I’ve been looking for some straight forward steps for WILDing 
I haven’t had much success yet, but this is mainly because of the fact that I keep dropping off after a bit. I’ll get to the point where I’m having HI quite vividly, but I always ‘pull out’ of the visions as soon as I realize that I’m in them. I end up telling myself to go with the flow a little more and let myself get into the “dreams” (I’m not quite sure if you’d call them that at this point), but whenever I do that I end up getting completely lost in the vision and start dreaming (I guess?), but not lucidly.
Any advice? 
I’m generally just falling asleep when WILDing or like this night, a WBTB, I saw the dream images (blurry shapes but consistent) and they did not form into a dream, until I lost the images and simply fell asleep into a ND.
daysong
Thank you. I am glad that you were able to benefit from the progressive relaxation techniques I listed on this thread. These are just common progressive relaxation techniques that I used when I first started LD ing. You can find similar techniques in almost any book on meditation, stress reduction and lucid dreaming.
Just keep practicing. I’m not sure but, it sounds like you are letting yourself go too much and falling into unconscious sleep. Remember the HI is hypnotic and is you brains way of trying to put you to sleep. You want to be aware of and use HI but you don’t want to pay too much attention to it. (I hope I’m not confusing you more). Maybe try a light mental exercise like talking to your self about what is happening. Describe what you see to your self. Tell yourself that you are going into a dream. It is very hard to explain. You have to try to let go of the real world yet maintain some consciousness. You can try and change the HI into what you want to dream about. Eg try and visualize a scene at a beach or something. Keep trying different things until you find what works for you.
I would suggest that you read as much as you can on LD ing or dream yoga. Any book ,website, etc that you can get you hands on.
If you want to try something a little different start to teach yourself self hypnosis. There are many books and tapes on the market for this. I’m sure there are most likely free downloads for this on the internet. There are many tapes that use self hypnosis routines to quit smoking, stress reduction, overeating etc… That is not what you want. Try to find a tape or download that will teach you how to go into hypnosis all by your self. The way these tapes work is you play the tape, that puts you into hypnosis then will give you a suggestion that you can go into hypnoses all by your self (usually by rolling your eyes up and counting from 1-10).
What I do is:
Using deep meditation and/or hypnosis you can learn to take yourself down into the beta range which is where REM sleep occurs. By doing this, as Jeff said above, you change the rules of your sleep cycle.
Even though you are practicing wild you should still:
I often find that this is a great backup for WILD. I have had times where I fell into unconscious sleep while practicing WILD and later “wake up” in my dreams.
Good luck. Happy Dreaming.
Ashuvra
Yes the feeling that you are choking or cant breath can be very distressing. Just remember that you are not choking nor did you stop breathing. Your body was going to sleep and your body took over responsability for regulating your breathing. Keep that in mind and hopefuly it won’t be so scary next time.
Pleban
I don’t like the 61 point relaxation technique either. It’s not a bad technique, just not for me.
I would say just keep doing what you did the first time you WILD and don’t get discouraged if it doesn’t work. It just takes practice. You already know what to do and now you just have to feel your way through it. (Hope that made sense to you)
good luck and happy dreaming.
Thanks, I have enough determination because I want to feel these vibrations people speak about.
Well, I don’t know about you all, but it’s the weekend, that means it’s the best time for me to practice WILD. Tonight I’m going to try it when first going to sleep and WBTB. Good luck to everyone.
Milod -thanks for the continued suggestions…much appreciated…
Best to all…
I’ve still been working with WILD, and I know that I can do it. The problem is, I’m not being dedicated enough to it
I’ll get into bed, and usually by that time (even though it’s not particularly late – maybe 10:30) I’ll be tired. For about five minutes I might try to get into my WILDing state of mind, but I end up giving into my (mental and physical) exhaustion.
I’ve been trying to do things that will keep my mind awake and interested at least until I start getting HI. I tried repeating song lyrics in my head, but I got tired of that. Any advice for what I should do to keep myself awake?
I know just what you mean, daysong! I gave up my attempts after a short time last night because I was just too tired. I’m working on my resolve a bit 
I’ve not had a lucid dream yet, but the more I have practiced, the better I have become at maintaining awareness longer and longer on the way to sleep. The key for me in experiencing HI has been to have the right amount of food and drink and bathroom visits, and to watch some tv or read until I am real tired… Pedro talked about this on his post about VILD, and I agree that it is pretty important to being able to have the right mental state for WILD.
I think that it’s kind of funny that I have to fight tiredness for the thing that I want most 
I usually end up thinking about various things, and I notice the hypnagogic imagery when it begins. In meditation I’ve learned to remember what is happening as it happens, and I think this has helped in being more aware of the HI and helping me with progressing with WILD.
Also, the night before last I had the biggest success with WILD I’ve had yet. After repeating a scene (ala VILD) over and over, I eventually got to a point that the HI was VERY clear. So, I think that I am going to try to repeat a phrase (something easier than intense visualization) or do something to try to keep my mind active and retain my awareness.